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#376484 - 07/06/07 11:30 PM Rank pieces in terms of difficulty
Moshe Offline
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Registered: 04/17/04
Posts: 113
Loc: Toronto
Hi pianists,

I'm starting a new repertoire this summer. I'd just like to see what you think the order of difficulty of my pieces are:

Beethoven Piano Concerto #3
Chopin Ballade #1
Chopin Etude Op. 10 no. 5 (Black key)
Liszt Transcendental etude no. 11 (Harmonies du Soir)
Prokofiev Sonata #3
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#376485 - 07/07/07 12:16 AM Re: Rank pieces in terms of difficulty
aznxboy1228 Offline
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Registered: 05/14/06
Posts: 49
Loc: California
I would say (from easiest to most difficult):

Beethoven Piano Concerto No. 3
Chopin Black Keys Etude
Liszt Transcendental Etude No. 11
Chopin Ballade No. 1
Prokofiev Sonata No. 3

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#376486 - 07/07/07 01:08 AM Re: Rank pieces in terms of difficulty
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Registered: 11/10/05
Posts: 634
Loc: Romney WV
In my opinion,

Chopin Etude
Chopin Ballade
Beethoven Piano Concerto
Liszt Etude
Prokofiev Sonata
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#376487 - 07/07/07 04:52 AM Re: Rank pieces in terms of difficulty
phonehome Offline
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Registered: 04/28/06
Posts: 921
In my opinion (easiest to most difficult)

Chopin Etude
Liszt Etude
Prokofiev Sonata
Chopin Ballade
Beethoven Concerto


Well....at least we all agree

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#376488 - 07/07/07 06:59 AM Re: Rank pieces in terms of difficulty
Max W Offline
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Registered: 10/05/02
Posts: 2846
Loc: RHUL
 Quote:
Originally posted by phonehome:
In my opinion (easiest to most difficult)

Chopin Etude
Liszt Etude
Prokofiev Sonata
Chopin Ballade
Beethoven Concerto


Well....at least we all agree [/b]
Thats closest to my opinion:

Chopin Etude

(this gap is to represent the gap in difficulty..)

Chopin Ballade
Prokofiev Sonata
Liszt Etude
Beethoven Concerto

The Chopin 10/5 is one of the easier ones, provided you follow the fingerings provided.

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#376489 - 07/07/07 10:39 AM Re: Rank pieces in terms of difficulty
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Registered: 11/27/02
Posts: 13818
Loc: Iowa City, IA
Ranking these pieces makes very little sense.

For example, the Prokofiev sonata is well beyond the Beethoven in terms of technical difficulty from measure to measure, but the Beethoven is well beyond the Prokofiev in terms of endurance and ensemble.
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#376490 - 07/07/07 01:33 PM Re: Rank pieces in terms of difficulty
phonehome Offline
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^

What he said

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#376491 - 07/08/07 03:24 PM Re: Rank pieces in terms of difficulty
Moshe Offline
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Registered: 04/17/04
Posts: 113
Loc: Toronto
True, so I guess I should refine my question and ask for the ranking in terms of technical difficulty.

I know the notes to the chopin etude, the ballade and concerto now. And by far the most technically difficult thing is the presto con fuoco of the ballade.

So lets narrow this down:

Is the ballade more technically difficult than Prokofiev?

I am slowly working my way through the Prokofiev, but its much harder to learn than the other pieces.
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#376492 - 07/09/07 12:43 PM Re: Rank pieces in terms of difficulty
kcoul058 Offline
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Registered: 12/27/04
Posts: 976
Be careful in the Prokofiev about the "washing machine" sections (this is what many 3rd sonata vets end up calling them, lol!). It is *very* easy to put the beat on the wrong note, in these sections where there are interlocking two note/chord groups between the right and left hand. You have to be especially careful to put the beat on the 1st note/chord of the RH group, not the 1st note/chord of the LH group, even though that's where the bass note is.

It's very easy to have the bass note become the downbeat and it leads to great confusion until you fix it - so avoid the problem by never falling into it in the first place!

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#376493 - 07/09/07 03:32 PM Re: Rank pieces in terms of difficulty
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Registered: 10/31/05
Posts: 2618
Loc: Geneva, Switzerland
kcoul58:
It's very easy to have the bass note become the downbeat and it leads to great confusion until you fix it - so avoid the problem by never falling into it in the first place!

I struggled with these passages for quite a while when learning this piece a while ago; that said I still find the first page to be one of the hardest bits to get right, even though other parts are arguably more difficult technically.

But those 'washing machine' sections you mention are indeed a great example of where (to steal the gist of someone's sig on here) piano-playing is 50% physical while the other 90% is mental ;\)

-Michael B.
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