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#603861 - 01/04/08 06:28 PM Incredible! The Devil's Staircase of Ligeti
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Hello !

Happy new year !

Do you know this piece ?

http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZTaiDHqs5s

Thanks Greg...

Chris
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#603862 - 01/04/08 07:24 PM Re: Incredible! The Devil's Staircase of Ligeti
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oh yes, it's great. I have a friend who plays the **** out of that piece - he had to work some 6-8 hours a day for 9 days to memorize the thing, heh... not like learning a bach english suite exactly :p

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#603863 - 01/05/08 07:13 PM Re: Incredible! The Devil's Staircase of Ligeti
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Dear fnork,

Have you an idea for learling a piece of Ligeti but less difficult ? Other study or other piece of Ligeti ?...

Chris
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#603864 - 01/07/08 11:10 AM Re: Incredible! The Devil's Staircase of Ligeti
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For easier etudes, try "Cordes a vide" or "Arc-en-diel" from book one, although they are by no means 'easy'.

For Ligeti music that actually IS easy to play, try some of the pieces from 'Musica ricercata', the first two for instance.

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#603865 - 01/07/08 12:58 PM Re: Incredible! The Devil's Staircase of Ligeti
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Maybe "Fanfares", too. It has the polyrhythms typical for Ligeti, but there are only two rhythms at once which is much easier than the three or four simultaneous rhythms in e.g. "Automne à Varsovie".
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#603866 - 01/07/08 03:36 PM Re: Incredible! The Devil's Staircase of Ligeti
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Agreed on 'Fanfares', although it is still not "easy", but probably a good introduction to the more complex studies.

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#603867 - 01/08/08 06:33 PM Re: Incredible! The Devil's Staircase of Ligeti
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Thank you.

I bought a CD of Ligeti with works and Musica Ricercata performed by Pierre-Laurent Aimard.
For the scores, I will look more later...

What are your favorites contempory musicians ?

Chris
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#603868 - 01/08/08 10:31 PM Re: Incredible! The Devil's Staircase of Ligeti
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Originally posted by fnork:
oh yes, it's great. I have a friend who plays the **** out of that piece - he had to work some 6-8 hours a day for 9 days to memorize the thing, heh... not like learning a bach english suite exactly :p [/b]
Don't knock the english suites. There are places when even a pianist of Gieseking's skill can't quite play clearly.
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#603869 - 01/09/08 08:01 AM Re: Incredible! The Devil's Staircase of Ligeti
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Besides, even the French Suites contain inspired music, which is far from the case in the Ligeti Etudes.
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#603870 - 01/09/08 08:19 AM Re: Incredible! The Devil's Staircase of Ligeti
Alexander Hanysz Offline
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I love that video! Not just the playing, but the presentation is so creative...

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Have you an idea for learling a piece of Ligeti but less difficult ? Other study or other piece of Ligeti ?...[/b]
I strongly recommend looking at the Musica ricercata. Ligeti himself seemed a little embarrassed about those pieces, saying that they were not significant--but actually they contain the seeds of many of his later ideas, and the set as a whole is a surprisingly powerful recital piece.

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#603871 - 01/09/08 07:11 PM Re: Incredible! The Devil's Staircase of Ligeti
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Alexander, you are right ! my brother made to me the same remark : presentation is so creative. I think that this type of video is good for the music and in this case, for the contempory music.

But the contempory is not understand...

PS : when the contempory music was born, since the chord of 7e O not resolved ?

Chris
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#603872 - 01/10/08 08:25 AM Re: Incredible! The Devil's Staircase of Ligeti
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Also, "En Suspens" from the 2nd book of Etudes is very short (about 2 mins) jazzily atmospheric and not too difficult.
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#603873 - 01/10/08 04:26 PM Re: Incredible! The Devil's Staircase of Ligeti
christoff Offline
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Hello,

I listen the Musica ricercata.
Wow : the second piece is in the 'Eyes Wide Shut', the last Stanley Kubrick's film !!
I am very surprising, I didn't know, that is Ligeti...

Thank for your injunctions... I devoure.

Chris
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