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#610360 - 11/09/07 12:48 AM should I buy old ivory keys?
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My church wants to get rid of an old beat up upright piano that's worth nothing except for the original ivory keys (still in good condition). I've always wanted to own my own set of ivories (maybe having them placed on my piano). What would be a reasonable price to offer them?

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#610361 - 11/09/07 02:32 AM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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Nothing. They probably will not fit.
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#610362 - 11/11/07 09:16 PM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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Retrofitting a set of ivories from one piano to another (if they fit, as pointed out) is something that could cost scores of hours in labour, and more frustration than you could imagine, if you have no expeience, or the tech that attempts has no or little eperience. The piano at the church is worth nothing because it is used up, get the ivory for nothing, if you can, but don't hold your breath getting it transferred to your piano unless you research a VERY good keyboard restoration specialist, and be prepared to pay the $$$$$.
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#610363 - 11/13/07 02:11 AM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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I'll try to aquire the ivory for free, then, but I'm not too hopeful about retrofitting according to your advice. Thanks so much.

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#610364 - 11/13/07 02:27 AM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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You never know until you try. You may find a way these other guys never thought of because you don't know any better. Don't let them discourage you. if you are lucky and get the old set off and cleaned up and they fit, have a keytop person remove the old tops be it with a router or table saw then decide who will glue them back on.

Some of the old ivories come off easy.

I certainly wouldn't pay anything for the old keys.
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#610365 - 11/13/07 07:45 AM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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There's plenty of used Ivory on eBay.
I actually bought brand new piano Ivory on eBay for $250 I ended up not using it and resold it.

In my personal opinion I feel Ivory is over rated.
It wasn't used because it's great, it was used because there was nothing else back then and it was fairly cheep.

There's quite a few different styles of plastic key tops available now and some of them are quite nice and and make some piano playing techniques easier to play.
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#610366 - 11/13/07 11:51 AM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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Read the posts on Ivory vs plastic on the other piano forums. The feedback is that the players who have played on both mostly love the feel of the ivory. There is a definate difference in the tactile sense. It is not over rated by any means. Do you play? I like the feel of ivory better myself and I'm not talking about static touch. I play hard. You don't stroke the keys like a kitten to test for feel. You have to play the thing.

Beeswax will improve the feel of plastic keys
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#610367 - 11/13/07 12:21 PM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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Originally posted by woodfab:

It wasn't used because it's great, it was used because there was nothing else back then and it was fairly cheep.
Absolutely not. Celluoid has been around since the 1860s ( I am repeating myself from a thread about a week ago.)
Ivory cheap? I don't think so. Consider the logisics, from killing a bull elephant in the plains of East Africa to sawing the veneers used on the keyboard. If it was such a cheap material, why would royalty have collected precisous carvings made from the stuff?
If it was so cheap, why was it used on expensive pianos while gallalith and celluloid were used on the entry level pianos?
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#610368 - 11/13/07 12:48 PM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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Ivory was probably the cheapest material with suitable hardness and workability for keytops. The price was also kept down by colonial subjugation of the areas from where it came. Tradition and snob appeal has kept it around for a lot longer than it should have. It did take a while for proper materials and techniques to replace it to be developed.

In all the concert work that I have done, I have had only one complaint about the keytops, and that was about the sharpness of chips in the ivory on an old grand.
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#610369 - 11/13/07 10:21 PM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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Originally posted by BDB:
In all the concert work that I have done, I have had only one complaint about the keytops, and that was about the sharpness of chips in the ivory on an old grand.
What I am hearing is that although ivory is a secondary choice of material, in all your concert work you have only heard one complaint yourself, and that was from a player playing on a keyboard with defective ivory.

Maybe ivory is not that bad after all???

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Ivory was probably the cheapest material with suitable hardness and workability for keytops.
Can you show us ivory vs celluloid prices from whenever: 1880, 1900, 1915...??

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It did take a while for proper materials and techniques to replace it to be developed
As I said, ever since way before 1900 were early plastics used with success, but mainly on cheap instruments. Good instruments always had ivory - hardly an inferior material.

Everyone is welcome to their opinion. Just please don't express it as a fact when indeed the facts show otherwise. ;\)
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#610370 - 11/13/07 10:36 PM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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What surprised me was how much ivory is legit. The poachers are driven by the price of the ivory world wide and there certainly isn't a lot of it bought for piano keys. It would be far easier if the police would make it economically unfeasable to get it AND market it. I think the older larger tusks would be most valuable as jewelery or art objects such as figurines and such. I guess at even a few thousand US dollars a tusk would make it worth it to some starving villager in Africa

What exactly is the ivory that is poached used as??
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#610371 - 11/13/07 10:46 PM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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I agree with Keith, there is a different tactile feel to ivory keys.

I prefer the look and feel of ivory.

That said, I'm completely against killing animals just to get the ivory, but eventually they do die of their own accord.

And, there is plenty of used ivory in circulation. I have boxes of used ivory which I occassionaly sell online (recycled from old pianos).

Although I have to say, I make more money selling used ivory keys for scrimshaw then for pianos :-)
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#610372 - 11/13/07 10:50 PM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Keith Roberts:
What exactly is the ivory that is poached used as??
I am not sure that elephant poaching is such a huge problem today. The reports that I have heard about elephants over the last decade is that in certain areas their populations have grown so strong that they are a real problem for farmers (try putting up a fence to keep an elephant out of your corn field )


There is certainly very little, if any poached ivory coming into North America or Europe. I would surmise that it goes to Asia for carving. As I understand it, ivory for keytops is pre-ban new old stock, and comes with a certificate to that effect. You cannot (legally) move it from one country to another.
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#610373 - 11/13/07 11:40 PM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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The piano that had chips did not have defective ivory. A substantial proportion of pianos with ivory keyboards have chips, adhesion problems, discoloration and other problems that have developer. Just out of curiosity, how many more repairs do you do to plastic keys than to ivory keys? How many of them are not due to abuse? How many requests do you get for replacing plastic keys with ivory which are due to problems with the plastic?

Celluloid did make good key material, but it was prone to problems as well. It did replace key fronts almost immediately, but there were problems with key tops, such a buckling and chips. When suitable materials were found, the adoption was almost immediate. It certainly was in Steinway's case, where they decided to switch after a single summer's trial at Tanglewood. What is more, there was not a big exodus of Steinway buyers to other comparable pianos when it happened.
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#610374 - 11/14/07 12:03 AM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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I'm not claiming to be an expert on the subject of of Ivory.

Supply mentioned that "Celluoid has been around since the 1860s"

Celluoid is very different than Ivory. Doesn't last as long as ivory, it eventually shrinks and curls which causes it to come loose from the keys. I used it on a Haines Bros grand two years ago and found it to have a very interesting feel which was very different than Ivory.

At 1st. I thought the plastic was strange being up to three times thicker than typical Ivory but the thicker top allows for a more rounded edge which allows the player to slide up and down much easer than a square edge.

The plastic keys are available in a few different types of plastic and so far I like the German ones from Pianotec. If you rub them down with 600 grit sand paper they feel very similar to Ivory
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#610375 - 11/14/07 10:53 AM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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Still I object to the stranglehold the oil companies have on the market place and their tactics used for development of new sources. Keep demanding oil products and Alaska is next. How much hurt wildlife and damage to the eco systems will that cause? They can't even transport it safely. A tanker just ran into the Bay Bridge out here.

Really there is a better ethics case against the use of plastic than there is against ivory.

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#610376 - 11/14/07 12:19 PM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by BDB:
The piano that had chips did not have defective ivory.
Chipped=broken (by abuse, not by prope use!) = Defective

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How many requests do you get for replacing plastic keys with ivory which are due to problems with the plastic?
Virtually all my keytop replacment clients would prefer to have their keytops replaced with ivory instead of plastic if it was anywhere in their budget, and under the condition that old, pre-existing ivory would be used.

Opinion:
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Ivory was probably the cheapest material with suitable hardness and workability for keytops.
Fact:
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Celluloid was the first important synthetic plastic and was widely used as a substitute for more expensive substances, such as ivory,[/b] amber, horn, and tortoiseshell.
(Quoted from Reference.com. Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia)

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Celluoid is very different than Ivory. Doesn't last as long as ivory, it eventually shrinks and curls which causes it to come loose from the keys. I used it on a Haines Bros grand two years ago and found it to have a very interesting feel which was very different than Ivory.
Agreed, they are quite different.
I doubt very much this was celluloid, it was proabbaly some other plastic material. Celluloid is a highly flammable substance, used, among other things, in making ammunitions today. Do not confuse celluoid with other plastic. If you want to test it, light it on fire. If it burns and melts and drips, it is some other plastic. If it goes up in flames like a house on fire, you have real celluloid. (Do this outside, keep a fire extinguisher handy)
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#610377 - 11/14/07 12:47 PM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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Originally posted by Keith Roberts:
Still I object to the stranglehold the oil companies have on the market place and their tactics used for development of new sources. Keep demanding oil products and Alaska is next. How much hurt wildlife and damage to the eco systems will that cause? They can't even transport it safely. A tanker just ran into the Bay Bridge out here.

Really there is a better ethics case against the use of plastic than there is against ivory.

[/b]
The amount of oil used for plastics is minuscule as compared to the amount that is burned for fuel. If you used ivory instead of plastic wherever it could be used, elephants would disappear from the earth. Although oil spills are tragic, they don't result in the extinction of species to my knowledge.

I also think that with the right surface finish, the right plastic would be almost indistinguishable from ivory from a feel and function viewpoint. People want ivory for their piano keys because of emotion--they feel it's better and so they perceive it as being better. Their friends can see that it is not plastic, and it gives them something to brag about.

If there were a buzz about how much better certain plastic keys are than ivory, all of a sudden people would start to want them in place of ivory. Humans are infinitely suggestible.

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#610378 - 11/14/07 08:57 PM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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In fact three pianos I've work on had the celluloid key tops. It's still available in sheet stock from Schaff.
One day I trimmed a set of celluloid key tops on my milling machine and left a pile of shavings on and around the vice. Later that day I was milling a piece of steel and a hot chip landed on the celluloid shavings and it ignited immediately. You could say it burned like crazy and the smell is very distinct.
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#610379 - 11/15/07 10:32 PM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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Originally posted by Tenuto:
My church wants to get rid of an old beat up upright piano that's worth nothing except for the original ivory keys (still in good condition). I've always wanted to own my own set of ivories (maybe having them placed on my piano). What would be a reasonable price to offer them? [/b]
I have purchased new sets of ivory made from prehistoric tusks unearthed in alaska and northern Canada. It is expensive. I sell used key sets on ocasion I don't have a set at the moment but I sell them for $40.00 per note.These are boiled to remove all glue and paint, they come out looking semi clear and the only thing that needs to be done before instalation is the coloring of the underside before gluing.I have put new plastic sets on piano's for the trade,plastic for Ivory.At $40.00 per note its a no brainer.($3500.00)for a set that is as good as new. \:\)
I have paid up to $2.00 a note for the entire key as long as they are all in good condition.$80 to $100 is not a bad price to pay.
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#610380 - 11/16/07 06:02 AM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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Some of the facts

From the website Answers.com
Although the answers relate the products use to other than pianos, it does reveal the date of invention.

* Bakelite , the first completely synthetic plastic, was invented in Yonkers circa 1906, and manufactured there until the late 1920s
http://www.answers.com/yonkers,+new+york
* BAKELIE Bakelite, an early synthetic "plastic" was invented in 1909, but not used for buttons until the late 1920's
http://www.vintagebuttonjewelry.com/jewelry_antique_button.htm
* CELLULOD Celluloid, invented in 1870, another synthetic 'plastic-like' material, appeared in buttons around 1890
http://www.vintagebuttonjewelry.com/jewelry_antique_button.htm

My understanding is that the plastic as a petroleum product was invented (discovered) sometime in the early 1940's
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#610381 - 11/16/07 07:48 AM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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Just throwing it out there, the pipeline that they wanted to run through the ANWR would take up about .1% of the total land space, and would provide enough oil for America to be independent of the middle east for at least 7 years.


Just throwing it out there.

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#610382 - 11/16/07 07:49 AM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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That's interesting, Larry. Bakelite seems like it might have made good piano keys. It is quite hard and durable. It does yellow with age, however, and is a bit brittle. The first table-top, plastic-cased radios were made with bakelite, and it was used extensively in jewelry. Both the radios and jewelry have become collector's items.

Bakelite was, and perhaps still is, used extensively for pan handles, and the end pieces on toasters because of its ability to handle high heat.

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#610383 - 11/16/07 11:14 AM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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Hey shortymac, this is not the forum to discuss specifics of political or economic ideology. I just wanted to point out to the people who, when they see ivory keys they see slaughtered elephants but when they see plastic they don't see damage done from oil production, including the exploration, gathering, transport, and subsequent pollution. I was trying to balance the ethics of the discussion so we could talk about the difference in feel of the the two products without the idiocy of preconceived preducices that don't have much basis to begin with, from getting in the way.

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#610384 - 11/16/07 12:16 PM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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What I am seeing from this discussion is that if you ignore the source, the fact that it discolors and chips more easily, and costs hundreds of times more, some people might prefer ivory to plastic.

Under those circumstances, I would prefer gold key tops. At least there would be no discoloration or chipping problem.
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#610385 - 11/16/07 02:54 PM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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Keith, I understand that. I was being sarcastically flippant. I apologize.


As an aside, I prefer the feel of ivory, but I also am not a big fan of newer pianos. I was playing my school's baby grand just now (it's a Yamaha), and I noticed that the keys were stiff and a bit too smooth, and the piano had a nasal sort of sound. not tinkly, but as if you'd take a blanket and cover the keys. and this was with the lid OPEN!

if it was up to me, give me an older, Ivory piano with plenty of character. Granted, I do understand that Ivory shouldn't be used on new pianos (with the exception of Mastadon ivory or some such) but the feel of the old pianos with it really makes me happy.

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#610386 - 11/16/07 03:00 PM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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Mastadons were killed off by human hunting.
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#610387 - 11/16/07 07:11 PM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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Originally posted by BDB:
What I am seeing from this discussion is that if you ignore the source, the fact that it discolors and chips more easily, and costs hundreds of times more, some people might prefer ivory to plastic.

Under those circumstances, I would prefer gold key tops. At least there would be no discoloration or chipping problem. [/b]
I wonder how gold would effect the down/up weight? Less "lead" in the keys?
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#610388 - 11/16/07 09:30 PM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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Hmmm. Metal keytops. Brushed aluminum? Titanium? Wear forver. Fashion colors. We may be on to something.

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#610389 - 11/16/07 11:34 PM Re: should I buy old ivory keys?
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Mastadons were killed off by human hunting.
Yes. At least the ones that didn't die of diseases, climate change resulting in food shortages and a few other causes one can read up on by doing a quick web search.
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