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#629570 - 09/07/08 12:01 AM Refilling a DamppChaser
Doogs Offline
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Registered: 01/22/08
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Loc: Rockaway Beach New York
Those of you who have DamppChasers on large grands six feet or more: How often do you have to refill the tank(s)?

Or to put it another way, how long can your piano be left unattended and still get the benefits of humidity control?

Thanks. I couldn't find an answer on their website.

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#629571 - 09/07/08 12:30 AM Re: Refilling a DamppChaser
Jerry Groot RPT Offline
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Registered: 11/07/07
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Loc: Grand Rapids Michigan
Nobody can answer how long you can leave it unattended before it needs water. That depends on the humidity levels in your home.

If you leave for an extended vacation, unplug it until you get back or have someone check it for you.

Doesn't matter if it is on a 4 foot grand or a 9 foot or a vertical. Fill it whenever the light is blinking.

During the winter, it is not uncommon to have to fill them at least 2 times a week depending on the winter weather and humidity conditions in the house or building.
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#629572 - 09/07/08 01:27 AM Re: Refilling a DamppChaser
curry Offline
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Registered: 08/17/02
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I have a DC on my Bosie, but I also control the room humidity at 46% +/- 3% daily. I fill mine on average around every 3.5 weeks during the summer and every 2.5 weeks during the winter.
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G.Fiore "aka-Curry". Tuner-Technician serving the central NJ, S.E. PA area. b214cm@aol.com Concert tuning, Regulation-voicing specialist.
Dampp-Chaser installations, piano appraisals. PTG S.Jersey Chapter 080.
Bösendorfer 214 # 47,299 214-358

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#629573 - 09/07/08 09:01 AM Re: Refilling a DamppChaser
Doogs Offline
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Curry, I think what you're saying is that if you have a room humidifier you have to fill the DC less often.

Next question then: how often do you have to refill the room humidifier?

That probably depends on room size, but let's say an average living room.

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#629574 - 09/07/08 10:23 AM Re: Refilling a DamppChaser
curry Offline
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The room my piano's in stays very stable. I fill the dehumidifier every 3 days in winter. I don't use it during the summer. The room is 28'x15'.
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G.Fiore "aka-Curry". Tuner-Technician serving the central NJ, S.E. PA area. b214cm@aol.com Concert tuning, Regulation-voicing specialist.
Dampp-Chaser installations, piano appraisals. PTG S.Jersey Chapter 080.
Bösendorfer 214 # 47,299 214-358

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#629575 - 09/07/08 04:07 PM Re: Refilling a DamppChaser
Doogs Offline
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Registered: 01/22/08
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Loc: Rockaway Beach New York
Thanks, that's helpful; that's about the same size as my room and I don't live far from you so we're in the same climate.

Can you recommend a humidifier/dehumidifier model or brand, let me know what size/price I might need?

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#629576 - 09/07/08 04:28 PM Re: Refilling a DamppChaser
curry Offline
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I use a Bemis console humidifier about $260 now a days. Mine's 12 years old and back then I paid $150. I don't use dehumidifiers they use way too much electricity. I used a Holmes console model years ago and it added around $60 a month to my electric bill. The DC system is much cheaper to run, and keeps a tuning much more stable and longer lasting.
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G.Fiore "aka-Curry". Tuner-Technician serving the central NJ, S.E. PA area. b214cm@aol.com Concert tuning, Regulation-voicing specialist.
Dampp-Chaser installations, piano appraisals. PTG S.Jersey Chapter 080.
Bösendorfer 214 # 47,299 214-358

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#629577 - 09/07/08 05:37 PM Re: Refilling a DamppChaser
Doogs Offline
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Registered: 01/22/08
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Loc: Rockaway Beach New York
Thanks for the info and warning about electric bills.

I think that over a humid summer using a dehumidifier would still be much cheaper than using an air conditioner, no? That is, if you're like me and don't like the A/c for yourself. I don't even have one in my living room.

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#629578 - 09/07/08 08:19 PM Re: Refilling a DamppChaser
curry Offline
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I like the AC. I have window units in my home, and rarely have to use the one in the living room where the piano resides. My home is older and very well built. It stays pretty cool downstairs in the summer( around 77 degrees without the ac except on the hottest days). Upstairs is another story, lol. Still way cheaper than central air with the new energy efficient LG units I got last year when I moved in.
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G.Fiore "aka-Curry". Tuner-Technician serving the central NJ, S.E. PA area. b214cm@aol.com Concert tuning, Regulation-voicing specialist.
Dampp-Chaser installations, piano appraisals. PTG S.Jersey Chapter 080.
Bösendorfer 214 # 47,299 214-358

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#629579 - 09/08/08 07:11 AM Re: Refilling a DamppChaser
Marty in Minnesota Offline

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Registered: 02/09/07
Posts: 1178
Loc: Minnesota
curry,

You got me laughing with this statement:

 Quote:
I fill the dehumidifier every 3 days in winter.
I knew what you meant, but it was still funny.
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#629580 - 09/08/08 10:07 AM Re: Refilling a DamppChaser
Andromaque Offline
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Registered: 08/29/08
Posts: 3885
Loc: New York
Do you get mold/mildew problems with the DC system?

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#629581 - 09/08/08 10:11 AM Re: Refilling a DamppChaser
curry Offline
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Registered: 08/17/02
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Loc: Hamilton Twp, NJ
No Andro. Not unless it's installed incorrectly.
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Dampp-Chaser installations, piano appraisals. PTG S.Jersey Chapter 080.
Bösendorfer 214 # 47,299 214-358

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#629582 - 09/08/08 03:37 PM Re: Refilling a DamppChaser
Andromaque Offline
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Registered: 08/29/08
Posts: 3885
Loc: New York
so how do you avoid it? I would think stagnating water could lead to this problem? no?

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#629583 - 09/08/08 09:41 PM Re: Refilling a DamppChaser
curry Offline
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Registered: 08/17/02
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Loc: Hamilton Twp, NJ
No. There's an additive, a capful per gallon that you add to the water when you fill the tanks that prevents this. So stagnant water is not an issue.
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G.Fiore "aka-Curry". Tuner-Technician serving the central NJ, S.E. PA area. b214cm@aol.com Concert tuning, Regulation-voicing specialist.
Dampp-Chaser installations, piano appraisals. PTG S.Jersey Chapter 080.
Bösendorfer 214 # 47,299 214-358

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#629584 - 09/08/08 11:29 PM Re: Refilling a DamppChaser
Doogs Offline
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Registered: 01/22/08
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Loc: Rockaway Beach New York
Curry,

How do you keep the room humidity down at 46% in the summer without an air conditioner in the room?

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#629585 - 09/08/08 11:39 PM Re: Refilling a DamppChaser
curry Offline
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Registered: 08/17/02
Posts: 3769
Loc: Hamilton Twp, NJ
I do use the AC unit downstairs, but only when the temp climbs above 78 degrees. That only happens when it gets above 85 degrees outside.I guess it's how the house was built. This is my second summer here, and it's just so stable. What's really weird is that upstairs is always about 8% lower than the downstairs humidity level.
I should also add that there are never any windows open in the house except upstairs in the fall and spring.
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G.Fiore "aka-Curry". Tuner-Technician serving the central NJ, S.E. PA area. b214cm@aol.com Concert tuning, Regulation-voicing specialist.
Dampp-Chaser installations, piano appraisals. PTG S.Jersey Chapter 080.
Bösendorfer 214 # 47,299 214-358

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#629586 - 09/09/08 04:00 AM Re: Refilling a DamppChaser
Marty in Minnesota Offline

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Something else that is helpful when using a DC system is to use distilled water (always with the additive). Even with a central water softener, it has cut down the lime build-up on the pads. It makes the unit more efficient and has cut down on the pad changes from four times a year to two.

Curry, do you also recommend the use of distilled water?
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#629587 - 09/09/08 10:10 AM Re: Refilling a DamppChaser
curry Offline
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Registered: 08/17/02
Posts: 3769
Loc: Hamilton Twp, NJ
Distilled is good. I use it too.
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G.Fiore "aka-Curry". Tuner-Technician serving the central NJ, S.E. PA area. b214cm@aol.com Concert tuning, Regulation-voicing specialist.
Dampp-Chaser installations, piano appraisals. PTG S.Jersey Chapter 080.
Bösendorfer 214 # 47,299 214-358

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#629588 - 09/09/08 10:31 AM Re: Refilling a DamppChaser
Piano*Dad Offline
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Registered: 04/12/05
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Loc: Williamsburg, VA
I ran out of the 'additive' and asked my tech if he carried the refill. He said just to put a tiny amount of bleach in the water. The purpose is just to make it an inhospitable environment for mold spores.
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#629589 - 09/09/08 06:53 PM Re: Refilling a DamppChaser
Mark... Offline
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Registered: 11/27/06
Posts: 4372
Loc: Jersey Shore
 Quote:
Originally posted by Piano*Dad:
I ran out of the 'additive' and asked my tech if he carried the refill. He said just to put a tiny amount of bleach in the water. The purpose is just to make it an inhospitable environment for mold spores. [/b]
The beach might be a substitute for the cap of chemical for the water ie for mold spores, But using distilled water prevents mineral deposits should your tap water have them...

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#629590 - 09/09/08 09:15 PM Re: Refilling a DamppChaser
Barbara G Offline
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Registered: 03/20/07
Posts: 495
Loc: N. Texas
Curry. I have a question. I have been watering my Mason and Hamlin A for more than a year now, and it has not grown any. How long does it take to grow to a BB? Mine is made of walnut. Does that make any difference in how long it takes to grow or how much water I have to use?
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#629591 - 09/09/08 09:31 PM Re: Refilling a DamppChaser
curry Offline
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Registered: 08/17/02
Posts: 3769
Loc: Hamilton Twp, NJ
Has to be polished ebony to grow.
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G.Fiore "aka-Curry". Tuner-Technician serving the central NJ, S.E. PA area. b214cm@aol.com Concert tuning, Regulation-voicing specialist.
Dampp-Chaser installations, piano appraisals. PTG S.Jersey Chapter 080.
Bösendorfer 214 # 47,299 214-358

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#629592 - 09/09/08 09:56 PM Re: Refilling a DamppChaser
M&HAAdriver Offline
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Registered: 01/21/05
Posts: 272
Loc: Centennial, Colorado
My AA needs water in the DC about once a week. I use distilled water and only very occasionally add the "additive" for good measure.

The additive provides the conducting content (probably something like salt)so that the heater/thermostat will work properly, and anti algea, I assume, but the chemicals don't evaporate so much. Constantly adding the fluid will also shorten pad life.

My pads are 1.5 years old and still working fine.
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#629593 - 09/09/08 11:36 PM Re: Refilling a DamppChaser
Gadzar Offline
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Registered: 12/15/06
Posts: 1432
Loc: Mexico City
 Quote:
Originally posted by M&HAAdriver:
Constantly adding the fluid will also shorten pad life.[/b]
I also use distiled water and use the DC fluid, but it clogs the sensor bars and I must clean it once or twice a year and rinse the pads to get rid of deposits.
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