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#1107430 - 06/09/06 07:12 PM Chopin Group-Raindrop
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WELCOME TO OUR GROUP. WE ARE LEARNING TO PLAY CHOPIN'S PRELUDE IN DFLAT...OP 28, #15. We are referring to it as the RAINDROP prelude. While there is some disagreement about the title, we are using it for the sake of convenience and because it sounds "lovely."

Obviously with a piece so complicated, there are many issues to be considered. I have tried to link together as many questions, comments, concerns, etc. that have been posted by our members. Since this is my first effort at linking, please be kind if I have goofed up here and there.

GENERAL INFORMATION ABOUT THE PRELUDE[/b]

Chopin's preludes (24 in all) are considered by many to be one of his finest works. They, like his etudes, vary in skill level, offerring a wide variety of techniques...something for everyone.

This prelude is 89 measures long.

It has been rated as a level 9 out of 10 in a Conservatory of Music syllabus.

Some transcriptions (depending on the publisher) are 3 to 4 pages long.

The more pages, the easier to read.

If you require an easier to read copy, please PM me and I can send it to you.

Basically, we have divided the prelude into 3 sections. Just our way of referring to the prelude for convenience.

Measures 1-27 are the introduction.
Measures 28-75 - the storm and thunder section
Measures 76-89 - the ending.

CLICK ON ANY OF THE LINKS BELOW TO ACCESS THE TOPIC INDICATED:[/b]

Recording of the Prelude by Ashkenazy

For Encouragement

Our Group T-Shirts!!

Possible Background Story of Prelude

More Interesting Stories about Prelude

Different Transcriptions

Free Transcriptions

Sugestive Pedaling

Explanation of Different Pedals

Holding Middle C starting in Measure Three/Fingering

Spliting the Chord in Measure Nine

Not Rolled in Measure Nine

Triple Grace Notes in Measures 11, 15, 17

Theory
Question - Measures 26-28


Some Theory Questions and Answers

Alternate Fingering in Measures Starting at 28

Fingering for Measures 35 & 50

Recording of Measures 63-67 for Tempo

Quite a Stretch for Measures 60-75

Real Stretch for Measures Beginning at 72

Interesting Pictures of Chopin and his Hands

Playing it His Way or Our Way?

Using Comfortable Fingering/Hand Size a Factor?

More suggestions for adjusted fingering

One of our Group\'s Recording of Prelude

More of our recordings

More Group Recordings

Another Group Recording

Recording Problems and Suggestions

Sore Wrists?

Link for Chopin Music


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"We are the creation of some famous maker, in his way a kind of Stradivarius, who is no longer there to mend us.

F. Chopin
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#1107431 - 06/09/06 07:26 PM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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OK, I'm checking in. I vote for beginning with the Raindrop. Re editions - I doubt if it matters very much. For reference we should number the measures. I'll be using the Paderewski myself. I like the slightly larger format as my sight is not wonderful. Re time - I have no idea. I think it just depends on in what state we decide to leave it when we move on to something else. For example, I've been working on one (complicated) Bach fugue for over a year. I could "play" it a year ago. I just keep raising the bar on myself. We should be prepared to be flexible.
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#1107432 - 06/09/06 08:35 PM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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Checking in. I started to give the Raindrop a play-through when I saw this thread a few moments ago. What a great piece. I practiced the first page a little bit and then moved on the second... And I was having a "moment"... But then the oven timer went off. It broke the spell and I completely fell apart on the third page - But who can be mad at dessert?

My edition is in an old exam repertoire book I have from about 10 years ago. The note at the bottom promises that the dynamics and articulations are original, so although I'll probably have a different edition from everyone else, it shouldn't matter.

How long will it take me? I'm not sure. Not too long to get the notes under my fingers, but probably a while to really do it justice. I'm also working on a few other pieces at the moment, so that will slow me down too. I'm okay with whatever pace gets chosen.

Thanks for taking the initiative to start this thread, Kathleen. \:\)

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#1107433 - 06/09/06 08:47 PM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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I'm checking in too. I have 2 editions (including a Henle I just purchased a few months ago). I agree we can work with different editions on this one (might make it more interesting).

I appreciate the low key & casual approach to the Raindrop...I think the consensus from the other thread was to spend about 2 months on it?

I'll bookmark this page in case the thread drops and I want to locate it quickly.

(MP3 file sounds like a good idea to me)
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#1107434 - 06/09/06 09:49 PM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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Hi, all!

I'm checkin' in for Chopin! The Raindrop edition I have is from Schirmer Performance Editions. The notes are the same as the Henle, but I felt a bit easier to read (actually, I cheaped out). This is a piece I will be learning for my lessons, but probably not until August (we break for July). I will see about starting it early...and maybe it will be ready for polish by August! ha ha

Actually, I like the slow and easy approach, also...low stress. ;\)

Lynn

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#1107435 - 06/09/06 10:09 PM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Opus45:
(MP3 file sounds like a good idea to me) [/QB]
Opus, I posted mp3 files of all the classical pieces on June 5, in your thread, here:


http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/32/2368/2.html


Scroll half-way down.

Mel
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#1107436 - 06/09/06 10:38 PM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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I'll check in and vote for 'Raindrop'.

The Ashkenazy recording has been on my playlist for the last few months. This piece is still over my head, but it is something I want to play. I probably won't have much to contribute, but I'll be watching with interest.
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#1107437 - 06/10/06 01:48 AM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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I'm checking in for the Raindrop. I'm using the Alfred edition of the complete preludes, which is chock-full of footnotes on how editors have treated ornaments and pedaling. The original text is in black, and editorial changes are in gray, with explanatory footnotes, so it's like an education reading the thing.

I have and like the Ashkenazy recording, too.
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#1107438 - 06/10/06 05:34 AM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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Can I stick my name down for the Prelude as well. I will start off by saying that the piece is way above my level and I probably shouldn't be attempting it, but I'm willing to put in some work and I'm sure I will learn a lot from everyone else \:\) (and the free t-shirt offer is just too good to pass up!)

The only transcription I have are the free versions on the internet:
http://www.free-scores.com/download-sheet-music.php?pdf=296

http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/compositions_b/pre28_15.pdf

Maybe someone could check them out and say whether they are decent enough to work from or should I buy a copy.

I also only have the one recording, by Martha Argerich.

Thanks.

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#1107439 - 06/10/06 08:18 AM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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 Quote:
originally posted by MaryAnna
I'm using the Alfred edition of the complete preludes, which is chock-full of footnotes on how editors have treated ornaments and pedaling. The original text is in black, and editorial changes are in gray, with explanatory footnotes, so it's like an education reading the thing.
That's one of the problems with this forum for me, you all make everything sound so good, so convenient, so beneficial...I already have two versions of the Raindrop, and now I also want the Alfred Edition (and I didn't even know I needed it until this morning ;\) )

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originally posted by Euan Morrison
and the free t-shirt offer is just too good to pass up!
yes, that was the clencher for me too!
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#1107440 - 06/10/06 09:28 AM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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Thank you all for checking in. Now that I have your names...aha, I gotcha!

Of course, I'm kidding.

So glad we seem to be on the same page (no pun intended). The pace will be slow and as user-friendly as possible. To use that trite, but, oh-so-true, saying..."there's nothing that succeeds like success." Let's give us a chance to succeed. All of our egos could use a boost.

I expect more people will read the main post over the weekend, and we will get more Chopinites signing up.

But, for now, we all agree that we will start with the Raindrop.

People can use the transcription with which they feel the most comfortable. As Frycek mentioned, it is important that the measures are the same in our copies. This way, when one of us has a question, it will be much easier to figure out where the problem lies.

People can begin as soon as they choose.

And the "end" date is undetermined. I think each of us can set this date on his/he own. But just so we don't lose some of you, perhaps within 6 months might be reasonable.

For those who finish much sooner; you can always begin the waltz or just take a break or perhaps join another learning group. The choice will be yours to make.

Euan: I admire your willingness to attempt this beautiful composition. It may help you to know that (as I have so often related), it took me a long, long time to learn this prelude, initially. It was way over my head, also. But since I loved it so, I kept at it for months and months. Then, that day came. I sat down and actually played it perfectly from beginning to end...in all its glory. I can't tell you how thrilled I was. I'll never forget that day.

But, I have a suggestion and one I think many of us who have had experience with this prelude would agree with. Your transcription is fine. However, it's so squeezed together making it very difficult to read. And reading this prelude is two/thirds the battle. So, if you decide to use yours, fine, but if you could enlarge it in some way, I know you'll find the going easier. The more white...the better. This way you can have more room to write in your fingering and other little notes you may need to insert. If you don't have access to an enlarger, I will scan my copy, which is 4 pages long...as opposed to your 3. Please let me know. I think you will be less intiminated by the longer, but "wider" version.

Copper: The same encouragement for you. If you love the piece, you will succeed. I'm not saying that somewhere along the way, you might not start to dislike it somewhat, but that will pass. And we need to remember that this thread's main purpose is to provide help, so don't worry about making any contributions. Your questions and concerns will be your contributions, and you can be assured they will be given top priority.

Pianolina: Wow, I'm impressed with your progress so far. Maybe you should be the one running this thread. And I agree, dessert always has to come first! You go, girl!

Jeff: Good idea about bookmarking this page. Just how does one go about doing that...for the uninformed, like me?

Lynn: Take your break. I have a feeling you will catch up and probably surpass a few of us.

Mel: Thanks for the MP3 file. I recommend to all to listen to the prelude the way it should be played. It's like that carrot dangling in front of the donkey. We may never reach it, but it's something to strive for.

Prelude Op.28 No.15

As usual, I have gone on too long. But I wanted to greet each of you personally.

"Let the games begin!!" Good luck.

Kathleen
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#1107441 - 06/10/06 09:44 AM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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Hi Jeff:

I was writing while you were.

I do suppose this thread may sound "too good to be true." But I feel, as the main threadist, that my job, aside from organizing, is to motivate and encourage and, of course, to help provide answers to questions and concerns.

I just don't want this to be some kind of competition.

I agree that the Alfred editions of anything are great. I have a compliation of an introduction to Chopin works (complete with a CD) and the pieces are spread out to two and three pages, and suggested fingering is light gray.

I would definitely recommend his edition. I found one at my local music store but didn't buy it. However, if you can't find it (check with Mary Anna or Amazon), I will be happy to buy it for you and send it ASAP. Let me know.

Kathleen
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#1107442 - 06/10/06 09:56 AM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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Well, I've been avoiding opening this thread, because I already have too much on my practice menu. But I have wanted to play the Raindrop for about a million years, so maybe I can sort of get organzined and participate in this group as well. So put me down as a tenative member.

I also have an edition that's all squished on the page, maybe I'll buy the Henle, since I can't get the Alfred here in Japan.

Opus, do you happen to know if the Henle for Chopin as nice and spread out as Henle is for Bach's Inventions?
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#1107443 - 06/10/06 11:36 AM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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loveschopintoomuch,

Bookmarking is very easy. If you're using Internet Explorer as your browser, just click favorites on the menu at the top and then click "Add to Favorites". You may want to create a unique folder first by clicking "Favorites > Organize Favorites > Create Folder (then give the folder a name...i did this & called it ABF Piano Groups). In either case, click add to favorites & it will be there for instant recal whenever you want it.

I also wonder if we want to check into setting up a seperate forum for the learning groups (not sure if this would even be possible or desirable). I don't think these learning groups will be overwhelming in the ABF. I think in time they will all sink down on the list only to be revived from time to time as group participants want to ask questions/share experiences/post measures/post recordings/etc... Perhaps I'll bring this issue up in a separate thread?

Shiro, the Henle version is 3 pages. I would be happy to scan & share with you since I'm going to the office today anyway. I'll send you a pdf document. Feel free to share any interesting pdf documents you think I might enjoy as well ;\) . We never know do we?

[Edit: loveschopintoomuch, i would be interested in seeing this 4 page version of the Raindrop you were talking about... i'll send my Email by PM ]
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#1107444 - 06/10/06 11:36 AM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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Glad to have you ShiroKuro. Your name is added to the list.

I'm creating a "For What It's Worth" (FWIW) column. Just for bits of information about the piece that you have discovered and feel might be helpful to others.

FWIW:[/b]
I was complaining about the 2/5 and 2/4 fingering starting in the 3rd measure. And I decided to use 1/4 and 1/5. However, this morning, I found that stretch much easier and with a little practice, I could hold down the middle C. So perhaps what seems impossible at first, just might work with some determination.

Kathleen
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#1107445 - 06/10/06 12:09 PM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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Here is some inspiration, provided by Vladimir Ashkenazy.

http://www.savefile.com/files/7469382

Kathleen
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#1107446 - 06/10/06 12:15 PM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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Thanks, Jeff. I'll be sure to bookmark our page.

I will send the 4 page version of the Raindrop to you later this afternoon. I have to get my scanner from the basement and set it up.

I think this expanded copy is great on the eyes.

Kathleen

And everyone!! Please don't go through all the trouble of typing out my forum name. I'm Kathleen.
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#1107447 - 06/10/06 12:46 PM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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Kathleen,

Could you please clarify what you mean by the 2/5 and 2/4 fingering in the 3rd measure? I have a different edition, and the fingerings appear to be different.

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#1107448 - 06/10/06 03:15 PM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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Pianolina:
I'm certain that the fingering "suggestions" in my copy "An Anthology of Piano Music: The Romantic Period" are purely that...suggestions.

No where in the forward to this anthology is it mentioned that the fingering is what Chopin indicated. And even if it did, I have a feeling the composer would want us to play it as best suits us.

So I wouldn't give one ounce of concern to the concept of the "correct" fingering, for I don't believe there is such an animal. I do believe that we need to find what works for us however it might differ from what is indicated on the page.

Since you have played this piece before and are finding no real difficulty with it, I'd say stick with what you have been doing.

But to answer your question: My third measure begins with a middle C and G in the left hand, noted as 4/2 (4 on the C, and 2 on the G ...the C is a dotted half and has to be held while the 2 finger goes from G (switching to 1) to Aflat and then Bflat, still using the thumb). Of course the 5th finger is sounding out a lower A. And the right hand is only playing a Eflat (3), F (4) and G (5)...a half note.

I bet you are sorry you asked! But looking at the measure will clear it up. It's tricky fingering, especially when having to hold down those half notes.

In the 9th measure comes the real surprise. In the LH, a chord starting on the Dflat below middle C, then middle Cflat, then the F above it. Fingering is noted as 5 2 1. That's an 11 note stretch. I'm playing the F with my right (1)hand along with the F (5) noted in the treble clef above this chord.

I thought it especially important to read that the melody line must be brought out (as in all Romantic music). And what is so great about Chopin is that a lot of his music only has one note (the human voice, if you will) in the right hand. That note is supposed to sing out over the left hand's thunderous and pounding chords. In the middle, the right hand has some chords, but watch out for the note in the chord beginning in measure 36 and later on becoming a couplet. In this area, those notes are the voice and need to really come out...above all else.

I'm sure you know all this.

I just love the above-mentioned section. Not for the massive chords, but for the quality of tone that single/double note creates.

I hope I helped clear up any concerns about fingering.

I'm going to get my scanner working, so if we need to compare measures, whatever, it will be a lot easier.

Continued success, Kathleen
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#1107449 - 06/10/06 03:30 PM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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Kathleen:

Had my first few attempts at the piece today. Managed to struggle through the first 8 bars, although its not up to speed or anything yet. It will take time, but it was a good start \:\)

Yamaha produce a book entitled '50 Greats for the Piano'. The Raindrop Prelude extends to 5 pages in it! And it also has fingerings, so I think I will be using that edition.

In bar 9 (in the Yamaha book) the large stretch is broken by playing the top note with the right hand. Might help those with smaller hands

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#1107450 - 06/10/06 03:41 PM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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That's wonderful, Euan. So happy to learn you've made that first step...and 8 measures is a huge leap.

Wow...a 5 page version of the Raindrop can make a great difference. By all means, use it! I bet the fingering will be just fine for you also.

In the 9th measure, I already did my own "adjusting" to make it playable. Glad to hear I am on the right track.

It can be slow going, but one good thing. About half of the composition is somewhat of a repetition, so you really only half to learn half of it (Ha). No, really. As you go along, you will see what I mean.

Great news! Kathleen
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#1107451 - 06/10/06 03:45 PM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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Kathleen,

Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't worried about the fingerings being different, merely curious. I have long fingers and a flexible left hand, so I occasionally end up with unorthodox fingerings that work but somehow seem a bit... odd. I only just started this piece yesterday, so it would be relatively easy to change around the fingerings to something more comfortable at this point.

I tried the fingering you mentioned, and I see what you mean about the stretch. I find it much easier the way it's notated in my book. In the third measure, the middle C is played with 3 and the Gb is played with 1. 5 reaches down for the Ab. The rest seems to be the same as yours. That's a possible alternative for anyone who is finding the stretch to be awkward, but again, it might just be easier because of the shape of my hand.

Like Euan, my book also has the top note of the chord in measure 9 played with 1 in the right hand.

Thanks for the detailed response \:\)

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#1107452 - 06/10/06 04:37 PM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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Wow, you guys are really fast. I may have to set up a special section in the back of the classroom for us slow learners. (regarding the middle-c & Gb in the third measure...fingers 2-4 feels like the most comfortable & least stressful postion for me, considering my other fingers have got to accomodate the Aflat below it and the Bflat above it).

Since we're taking so much time on this piece, would anyone be willing to indulge me on the first & second measure?

Would it seem reasonable to consider all the notes in these two measures as essentially broken DFlat Major Chords (first & second inversion, I think?)? And if so, would it also be reasonable to select conventional fingering for those chords (what I would find in my "Scales & Chords are Fun Book")?

(also working on connecting my scanner at home so I can simply scan these sections with my fingering and notes written in)

I've decided to use my Henle version, which has very, very little in the way of fingering suggestions, therefore I'll be paying close attention to any fingering suggestions being discussed here.
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#1107453 - 06/10/06 05:28 PM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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Hi Jeff:

I'm just about to throw both my computer and scanner out the window. Both have suddenly decided to either take a short vacation or have conspired to drive me crazy.

I had no problem using my scanner a couple of weeks ago. But since it took up so much space on the coffee table (one end of my family room has now become my office...my old office upstairs was cleared out, repainted, re-carpeted...in hopes of our putting our house up for sale. We have decided to wait a year or so, but now I have no office) along with my printer and my laptop, I decided to store the scanner down the basement.

Well, I guess it's pouting or whatever scanners do because I can't reinstall the software without freezing up my computer.

I will continue to try because I think it's a good idea to be able to send pieces of the composition to each other when necessary.

Hey...you have a lot more theory than I do. Well, I had some theory, but I've forgotten most of it. My eyes start glazing over when speaking of inversions and the like.

Whatever works for you to help you remember the chords sounds like a good idea to me. And as far as fingering, I have always tried the trial and error approach. But if your Scale Book helps, go for it.

Is there really a book entitled: "Scales and Chords are Fun?" Someone is pulling your leg.

Also many versions don't necessarily have a lot of fingering noted. Perhaps here and there to help rid confusion on the part of the pianist. Most of the time, the fingering is left open to interpretation...which essentially means, "trial and error." But we will definitely be here for you should you hit a "brick wall."

Have fun, Kathleen
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#1107454 - 06/10/06 06:14 PM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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I'm new to the forum and I'm not too sure of my way (is this a Chopin study group?) but I'm in for learning the Raindrop. In fact I started it a few weeks back and love it! I'm also working (struggling) on 28/3 and it's nice to slow that left hand down a bit :p I've got the Schirmer edition (Joseffy).

Jeff, I don't see how that second measure could be a d-flat chord. I'm terrible at theory but couldn't it be an a-flat 9 (V) ?
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#1107455 - 06/10/06 06:31 PM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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Welcome, Peyton:

Yes, you are in the right place! This is the OFFICIAL STUDY GROUP FOR THE RAINDROP (aka Chopin's Prelude, Op. 28, #15.)

We are certainly glad to have a new member aboard and especially one who has been studying the Raindrop for a few weeks and STILL loves it.

Just kidding, of course. We all love it otherwise we wouldn't be willing to put ourselves through the level of frustration and confusion that may well be just around the corner.

We will welcome any questions, comments or concerns you might have. And look forward to getting any advice you can offer. Please go back to the original post and scan forward to pick up information that may prove useful.

Also, check in as often as possible to keep apprized of any new developments and to let us know how you are doing.

Happy to have you here, Kathleen
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#1107456 - 06/10/06 06:54 PM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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Welcome Peyton!

Glad to have more on board for the Raindrop.

I'll let someone else address your question about the broken chords in the 2nd measure since I don't know the answer (I'm assuming you're talking about the Ab-Eb-Gb chord?). I do believe, however, that the Ab-Db-F chord is the second inversion of the Db Major Chord (tonic). I am pretty new to identifying chords so I won't be a good resource for that (but I do want to learn!).
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#1107457 - 06/10/06 07:09 PM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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Is it too late for me to join the group? I've been listening to the Raindrop piece off the other thread and it sounds nice, I've always liked this song and I wouldn't mind learning it. I've got the book called"Chopin his greatest Piano Solos" It's got G,A,B,D and E flats. Is that the right one?
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#1107458 - 06/10/06 07:20 PM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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I'm always interested in trying to figure out the chords but no longer have a teacher near by to ask so I'm left with guessing. You had asked about the chords in the first two measures and it looks to me like the first chord in the second measure is an aflat (dominant?) which then resolves back to the Dflat (tonic) at the end of the measure. But yea, we best let someone who knows for sure chime in. :p
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#1107459 - 06/10/06 07:57 PM Re: Chopin Group-Raindrop
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Dear Petrof1:

NO! It is not too late.

And Yes, the prelude you described sounds like the right one. It's is Dflat, meaning everything is flat except the F and C...BEADG...all flat.

Welcome. Please read the other threads to get an idea of what we are doing. Check in as often as you can for advice, questions, concerns, etc.

Most of us have started but some of us are still on the first few measures, so it certainly is not too late to join itn. And it's not a race to see who will finish first. I'm sure you will get the idea when you read the previous messages.

Good luck, Kathleen
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