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#1112898 - 07/20/06 09:42 PM Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
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In the past there has been some confusion from new members as to what kind of members post in this forum, and exactly who this forum is geared to. In an attempt to help alliviate some of that confusion, and after much discussion with several members, I came up with the following explanation. I hope it's helpful.

This forum is for beginning and advancing adult piano players.[/b] Most of the current forum members fit into one of the following categories:

* Adults who are just starting to play the piano.

* People who may no longer be beginners, but who started playing the piano as adults.

* People who played the piano in childhood and are coming back to it after a long absence.

* People who have played the piano since childhood and continue to play for their own enjoyment.

The above description is in no way meant to exclude anyone from posting here. All PW members are welcome to participate, and the Adult Beginner's Forum welcomes piano players of all interests and skill levels.
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#1112899 - 07/21/06 12:00 AM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
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Let's not be to hard on younger players. They don't have a forum of their own.

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#1112900 - 07/21/06 12:24 AM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
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I originally never planned on posting in this forum, but the whole study group thing appealed to me. So I'm not sure what to do.
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#1112901 - 07/21/06 12:51 AM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
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i don't know that 'adult' was a defining word. This forum just started as an alternative to the gifted and talented room (PC)... age never had anything to do with it.

i always wanted an amateur pianist's corner but am frankly comfortable anywhere.

sounds like this forum could split into beginner's and amateurs easily..
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#1112902 - 07/21/06 01:24 AM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
ChickGrand Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by apple*:
i don't know that 'adult' was a defining word. This forum just started as an alternative to the gifted and talented room (PC)... age never had anything to do with it.

i always wanted an amateur pianist's corner but am frankly comfortable anywhere.

sounds like this forum could split into beginner's and amateurs easily.. [/b]
Doesn't matter much one way or another, but my recollection is that age *did* have something to do with it. Not in any way pertaining to P.C., which I've always found interesting and nicely mixed for age and ability. But the discussion that resulted in this forum very specifically centered on the different needs of *adults* taking up piano as compared to those starting early. That age-related issue was the whole impetus for it. I've no doubt we could find the original discussion, but frankly it's not worth the bother to look. Why else would you imagine it was called "Adult Beginners Forum"? Because that's exactly the terms it was discussed in.

As to dividing, sure it could. But why should it?

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#1112903 - 07/21/06 01:44 AM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
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Personally, I still like Adult Beginners Forum[/b]. Nearly all of us began, one way or another, as adults. That does not mean that those who have played since childhood should be banned. It merely identifies the majority of the participants as having started as an adult.

I like Shiro's description.

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#1112904 - 07/21/06 03:33 AM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
ShiroKuro Offline
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Sorry, I should have added that this post came out of a very long discussion which can be found here:

Beginners???


(edited to add the link)
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#1112905 - 07/21/06 04:51 AM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Chobussy:
I originally never planned on posting in this forum, but the whole study group thing appealed to me. So I'm not sure what to do. [/b]
Stay right where you are. You're got dual citizenship as it were.
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#1112906 - 07/21/06 08:45 AM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
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I am making this thread sticky, and clarifying things.

If you are a PW member you have the ability to post in almost all of the forums, so I would advise people to take ShiroKuro's definition of who the AB forum is for as descriptive rather than prescriptive. If people who do not fit the profile of AB feel they have something to contribute to this forum, they should feel free to post here. I'm certainly not suggesting that ShiroKuro meant to exclude anyone, I'm just clarifying things.

After all people who are not in the piano business or buying pianos post in the Piano Forum, people who are not teachers post in the Teachers Forum, people who don't play the piano sometimes post in the Pianist Corner (it has never been a "gifted and talented" - just listen to the recordings of some of the most pompous posters and you'll see \:\) ), people who are not technicians can post in that forum, etc.

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#1112907 - 07/21/06 08:52 AM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
ShiroKuro Offline
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Phlebas, thanks for the sticky and the important clarifying commenrts. \:\)
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#1112908 - 07/21/06 11:05 AM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
signa Offline
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i really feel that we should drop "Adult[/b]" and also not to make "Beginner[/b]" constraint only as the current forum name suggested, which is the reason that many people ask for clarification of this forum. why don't we make it clear by using a more inclusive name instead rather than trying to explain this name over and over to every new member coming to this forum???

let's rename it as "Beginner or Intermediate Pianist Forum[/b]".

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#1112909 - 07/21/06 11:15 AM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
SAnnM AB-2001 Offline
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Maybe....but there are 10 year old children (many no doubt) playing the "intermediate" music I play. I still like the "Adult Beginner" title.
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#1112910 - 07/21/06 11:19 AM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
Happyshawtrapp Offline
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Doesn't this consistantly come up about every few months. It is so interesting how we are attempting to redefine what already is. Perhaps we should just accept what we have and welcome all folks who want to be with us. Happy

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#1112911 - 07/21/06 11:30 AM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
signa Offline
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why not include 10 year old or teenagers to this forum? some teenager beginners complaint it before about not being an adult and yet a beginner and couldn't find a place to ask questions. at least, i remember it...

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#1112912 - 07/21/06 12:21 PM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
Opus45 Offline
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I think some of you folks are a little late to the party.

The discussion has already occured.

This thread is the result of that discussion.

Here's the purpose of this sticky thread:
 Quote:
Originally posted by ShiroKuro:
In the past there has been some confusion from new members as to what kind of members post in this forum, and exactly who this forum is geared to. In an attempt to help alliviate some of that confusion, and after much discussion with several members, I came up with the following explanation. I hope it's helpful.
[/b]
I hope this helps.
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#1112913 - 07/21/06 12:24 PM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
Copper Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by signa:
i really feel that we should drop "Adult[/b]" and also not to make "Beginner[/b]" constraint [/b]
Well if you drop Adult and Beginner from the Adult Beginner Forum there wouldn't be much left.

I think the current name is perfect - absolutely perfect.

Maybe it would help if you thought of the title as descriptive of the behavior rather than of the participants ages.

The internet is jam packed with 'piano' forums where people spend a lot of time calling each other names bragging about who has the longest reach and who can play the fastest and who has the fanciest teacher. We don't get much of that here. I like it that way.

I think the 'Adult' suggests a level of maturity and the 'Beginner' indicates some humility, both are qualities that are rare in internet forums but well represented here.
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#1112914 - 07/21/06 12:25 PM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
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Sorry - double post
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#1112915 - 07/21/06 12:26 PM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
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Sorry - double post
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#1112916 - 07/21/06 12:49 PM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
Dorrie Offline
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I agree with Copper.

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#1112917 - 07/21/06 01:09 PM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
Monica K. Offline

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me too.
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#1112918 - 07/21/06 01:14 PM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
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I like Adult Beginner, though I only fit the "Adult" description (I started back after many years of not playing, but am at a relatively advanced level). I describe myself as an "amateur," meaning someone who plays solely for the love of it and not because I'm a professional or training to be a professional. If the name were to change, I would suggest "Amateur Pianists' Forum."

Of course, I am a classical music nut and tend to spend more time in the CP forum than here, so feel free to ignore my suggestion. \:D

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#1112919 - 07/21/06 01:18 PM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
Chobussy Offline
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You know, recently I've been active in this forum... but I am beginning to realize it just may not be for me. I'm neither an adult or a beginner, or an amateur for that matter.

But the study groups are fun to participate in.
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#1112920 - 07/21/06 01:23 PM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
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Well, then, all this discussion is backfiring!! Chobussy, the AB forum welcomes *everybody* with an interest in piano. You may not be interested in some of the threads that ask questions about basic music notation and theory matters...you're far beyond that, and that's okay. But by all means join in the study groups.

Maybe we should revisit the idea of keeping the AB name but changing the description to the "welcoming players of all interests and skill levels."
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#1112921 - 07/21/06 01:27 PM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
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That would ruin the intent of this forum though.

I'm not gonna lie, if I had it my way, I'd completely re-organize these boards. I even wrote a little something about it in the suggestion forum. Of course... no one responded, because the fourm is dead. And that is exactly my point.

Hey Monica... speaking of joining study groups... up for some DeBussy? We're doing Clair de Lune! Can't get much better than that!
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#1112922 - 07/21/06 01:33 PM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
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Thanks, Chobussy, but I'm over-extended with the study groups that I'm in now. I am too embarrassed to even admit how many days it's been since I practiced "Linus and Lucy."

Clair de Lune is on my list of classical pieces to learn eventually, though.

You know, I've just had an epiphany: The name matters, but it doesn't matter all that much. The AB forum is a great place, but what makes it great is NOT its name but the group of people who participate. Some of these people are brand new beginners; some are people who could (and do) make a living playing professionally. Somehow all of us found our way to this forum, in part either because of or in spite of its name. Let's just enjoy it as the great place it is and not get too hung up over finding the perfect name for it.
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#1112923 - 07/21/06 01:35 PM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
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Group hug.
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#1112924 - 07/21/06 06:47 PM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
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I'd replace "Adult Beginner" with "Amateur".

The title ADULT BEGINNER singles out this group, and may be interpreted as an invitation to adults and/or beginners only. Surely, there are non-adults as well as non-beginners who can participate but choose not to because of the initial barrier.

If you need a special area for Adults or Beginners, then make sub-forums to hold topics specifically dealing with their needs (as well as special sub-forums for non-Adults or Advanced Amateurs for that matter).

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#1112925 - 07/21/06 06:58 PM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
ShiroKuro Offline
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Jello, while anyone who wants to participate is welcome here, the point is that this forum meets the needs of a specific group. It was originally created because a need was felt.

To everyone, please remember, none of us can just change the title. If everyone felt the title should be changed, we'd need to decide on a selection of new title options (it would be an incredibly difficult process to come up with a "short" list of titles) then we'd need to take a vote (and the problem of how to conduct the vote would be difficult to overcome.) Then, we'd have our selection, and we'd have to present it to Frank (the owner) and he would just as likely say no as not. In the previous discussion (linked on page 1 of this thread) it was decided that it was best to leave the name and description as is, and add this explanation. No description is going to satisfy everyone, but hopefully this will help new members to better understand what kind of memebers are currently here.
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#1112926 - 07/21/06 07:38 PM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
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#1112927 - 07/21/06 07:39 PM Re: Who is the Adult Beginner's Forum for?
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Thanks for the clarification ShiroKuro. This forum is for adult beginners. There is really no need for this discussion!

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