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#1112633 - 01/02/07 09:48 PM Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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This beautiful piece is great Recital piece!
One of my friends says that even after all these years, he still keeps it in his rep. It is a great piece worth learning and re-learning if you learned it back in the dark ages (pre 1993 \:D ) Anyway, I'd like anyone that wants to join to post here please... Its really a gem! Free editions can be found there: http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/dlpage_new.cfm?composition_id=1017

It looks and sounds alot harder than it really is...

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#1112634 - 01/02/07 11:11 PM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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Count me in.

This is a lot easier than the Rachmaninoff prelude. I just downloaded the sheet music as well as the Midi.

I managed to sight read the first three pages (of course at much slower speed).

I have to admit it is a beautiful piece and the melody is superb. It is also easy to play.
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#1112635 - 01/03/07 06:09 AM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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Yes its alot easyier than the Rach...thats why I like it a lot. Ive been working on it for about a month and have completed about 2 and a half pages (memorized as well). But its just as pretty and well known (kinda) as the Rach. And its a great learning piece thats not too hard....i'm surprised there arnt more people joining...

Matt

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#1112636 - 01/03/07 10:59 PM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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Okay, I'll give it a try. I started it in September but stopped early on because of other distractions. Back to the bench.
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#1112637 - 01/03/07 11:01 PM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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Welcome aboard! Its late here and I have school in the morning, so i'll post what i was going to post tommorow.

Matt

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#1112638 - 01/04/07 02:28 PM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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#1112639 - 01/04/07 03:50 PM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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At my age it feels a little odd to compete with people so young, but I am not deterred.
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#1112640 - 01/04/07 04:23 PM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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I've played this one for a long time, and I still need polish the second part, at this moment, I'm learning the other pieces, but I'd like to go back to this one again, so I'll join the group. \:\)
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#1112641 - 01/05/07 01:45 AM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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Thanks loly for the Utube link to the lass playing the Mozart Fantasia in D minor.

Couldn’t help making a sketch of the little lady doing her impressive thing.


She has memorized the piece ... has beautiful lithesome long-fingered hands and romps through the quick bits with youthful abandon. Some heavies might like to fault the excessive elbow flap and the hands not maintaining a steady
horizontal datum over the keyboard ... but until the young lady develops some muscle in those slim arms ... she is doing a handsome job ... especially with the pretty little racy close.

Somebody close ... give her a hug.

Imagine being so engrossed in the Mozart genius ... and she’s only 14 years old (my guess) ... what a way to go!!

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#1112642 - 01/05/07 02:16 AM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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Btb, you're an artist - this sketch is absolutely beautiful! And it reflects the young lady and the mood brilliantly!

As for the piece - the only thing I play from Mozart is a little Sonatina that always gives me a happy feeling (Mozart is fun). I've tried Sonata 545 first movement for ages, but to be honest, it is not mine. The fantasy appeals to me much more - I think I'll give it a try, but it'll take time, is there any deadline? You'll all learn it probably much faster than I.

Well, anyway, thank you for introducing me to this piece.

Patty
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#1112643 - 01/05/07 04:13 AM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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Patty39,
You obviously have special language skills acting as a translator near Koln ... as a sprog architect I can remember parking my motorbike in front of the Cathedral and wondering why the giant
edifice seemed to lack French flair ... big but rather brutal.

While in Koln ... you must buzz down the Rhine (about 30km) and visit the birth place of Beethoven ... climbing that steep wooden stair
to the upper level atelier to a large room ... made up to mirror the mature Beethoven’s working environment ... complete with Broadwood piano ... ear trumpets ... and the perfect setting for the Beethoven legendary impression of untidiness ... if you are lucky you might even find a half-eaten piece of Wiener schnitzel on the grand (perhaps not!).

Back to the Mozart Fantasia ... the beauty of the piece for a beginner is that it divides into manageable bits ... easy Andante and Adagio tempos
and brisk Presto single measures which can be approached separately.

The 11m Adagio carries the Intro Theme followed by a 13m Adagio are well worth the effort of mastering because of the immaculate and polished
score ... the neatness of the structure makes for easy sight-reading. Don’t blanche at the Presto measure ... save this as an on-going exercise
to perfect your fingering ... the next 10m Adagio is a gem of Mozart’s ability to frame a vibrant RH outline over a drumming bass.
Easy to get right.

Enough for now ... don’t let the fast bits scare you ... you are on to a good thing in giving the Fantasia a bit of a trundle.

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#1112644 - 01/05/07 07:04 AM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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Patty - thanks for joining! There is no deadline whatso ever... we'll probably set up a timline for the piece (like page one 2 weeks ect.)

Matt

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#1112645 - 01/05/07 07:54 AM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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Wowie nice sketch you guys are so talented I hope some of it rubs off on me. :p

I like going to you tube to see what some of these pieces sound like. I like looking at peoples technic I try to adopt the good ones.

I did notice her elbow flapping and from all of her other videos it seems to be something she can't get rid of. She started lessons when she was 7 years old and she's now 10. I certainly can't judge talent since I'm basically a beginner and I think she's fantastic but I can't sense the emotions from a more experienced player or even other little prodigies like Jonathan Gilat, who at the age of 7 could make you cry when he played.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKQmoZURbLY&mode=related&search

I think he's a midget and they just tried to pass him as a 7 year old at the time. teeeeeheeeee
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#1112646 - 01/05/07 02:28 PM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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Originally posted by Debussy20:
Patty - thanks for joining! There is no deadline whatso ever... we'll probably set up a timline for the piece (like page one 2 weeks ect.)

Matt [/b]
Gulp! I should have known better than to try to keep up with you , young people learn faster.

No, honestly, I think 1 page per 2 weeks is perfectly ok. Well, except the presto parts... maybe they have a trick, I haven't looked at them too closely.

See you!

Patty
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#1112647 - 01/06/07 04:15 AM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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the presto parts: it's all in the fingering! find a pattern that works for you. i'll try to get to mine (too much excitement around here to pick it up this weekend) and let you know what was recommended to me.

later, m
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#1112648 - 01/06/07 07:30 AM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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The youtube link is good but I don't suggest to listen only to that one as an example. My humble opinion is that while she's technically good she still has a way to go regarding the dynamics and emotions. She definately is really good at the piano but listen to a professional recording of this piece - I was amazed when I first heard a pro recording.
It's a very beautiful piece. I'm not joining right now because I have other works in progress but I might do it later this year.
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#1112649 - 01/06/07 11:59 AM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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Attitude is definitely not everything if it results in the mask of feigned superiority.

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#1112650 - 01/06/07 12:31 PM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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I'm very sorry if I didn't make myself clear. I am not in any way underestimating this little girl. She's definately doing great and I tried to make that clear in my post, too.
I try to explain the longer story: I listened to that piece for many times from youtube from this girl. After listening to it so much I once happened to listen to a pro recording and was amazed at how good it was.
It's unfair to compare a pro and the one who is not a pro (yet) so i'm not comparing them. I was just trying to help that others wouldn't only rely on that recording. I was just sharing my experience. I'm sorry if it sounded what you called it \:\(
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#1112651 - 01/06/07 12:42 PM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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Here is a recording I made from Classical Music Archives by running a midi file through my Yamaha Keyboard. It was keyed by someone named E. J. Garcia Estefan. I hope this may be of assistance to those of you who are studying this piece.
http://www.box.net/public/i40igh8lei

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#1112652 - 01/06/07 01:18 PM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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Sidenote on the above - the internet is just unforgiving, it needs a lot of explaining to get messages across as intended.

I have found another amateur recording and am now listening to the last one - interesting how much room the piece leaves for interpretation.

MATT - this is not fair! You have just started this group and now claim in the recital thread that you only need to do some polishing

I'll stick to the "1 page per 2 weeks" (and anyway it said somewhere that this piece is intermediate - meaning that it'll cost me till next christmas to learn it all and play it decently, poor Mozart in his grave )

Patty
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#1112653 - 01/06/07 02:29 PM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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I'm sorry patty,
When I posted this thread its true i had not learned the entire piece but over the last few days ive really steped it up a notch and practiced my heart and hands out. I have really been working very hard on this piece...I have a lot more to do polishing wise, but it is true ive learned the notes.

Matt

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#1112654 - 01/06/07 04:31 PM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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Fabulous! Then you'll be the first to post it \:D

Patty
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#1112655 - 01/06/07 05:17 PM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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\:D

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#1112656 - 01/06/07 05:20 PM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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 Quote:
Originally posted by btb:
Imagine being so engrossed in the Mozart genius ... and she’s only 14 years old (my guess) ... what a way to go!! [/b]
Shes acctualy 10 years old shocking what kids can learn at a young age

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#1112657 - 01/06/07 09:10 PM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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I can now play the Andante (so so). Next I will tackle the Allegretto but slowly.
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#1112658 - 01/07/07 12:22 AM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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Hello Margareth from Estonia,

Sorry to sound off like a grandfather ... we’re all trying to widen our keyboard repertoires ... and the resolute 10 year old girl (she looks 12)
provides visible evidence that Mozart Fantasia in D minor is within the Beginners Forum scope ... especially when broken up into neat little work sections ... the genius of the Mozart “breathing holes”.

None of us will rival Brendel ... but it won’t be for lack of trying ... the whole idea is to encourage even the most backward of our
enthusiastic Mozart following.

Just a word of newcomer advice on the opening 11 measure Andante. Don’t let the triplets and dotted notes throw you ... essentially Mozart
is introducing the key of D minor and does so in a gracious linking of arpeggios in two hands ... there is no need to exaggerate the dynamics of the opening D or labour the dotted half note D ... try to read the dotted notes as merely part of the chain of triplets so that the arpeggiated
repeating note patterns flow smoothly.

Measures 7 and 8 peak four arpeggios in a downward moving sequence which prepares the way for the stepped ladder to m9 followed by the
serrated downward descent in m10 ... you can catch your breath at m11 ... before taking on the close harmony Adagio.

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#1112659 - 01/07/07 02:04 PM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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I find the Fantasia a beautiful piece and a little different from the other Mozart I have tried to play. (And that little girl on Youtube does present it with a personal interpretation that you would not expect from 10 year old.)

I will have little time to spend on it, and I will be the last one to post any results but I will read carefully and maybe ask some questions.

Ragnhild
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#1112660 - 01/07/07 09:55 PM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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Your right Ragnhild, this piece is a little "out there" for Mozart. This is why it is so important to learn. btw - the last 10 measures were not composed by Mozart and many are unsure who really composed the ending

Matt

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#1112661 - 01/09/07 07:03 AM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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Matt, I don't know if you are the "study group leader", You are maybe too busy with the Rach-prelude, but it would be nice to hear you play the Fantasy.

I have a question about fingering in the second Presto part. (I use to start with the most difficult parts). At the end of it there is a chromatic scale from low A and nearly three octaves up to an F(nat). What fingering should I use for this? (My Henle edition says nothing, probably bacause chromatic scale is supposed to be "standard", but since I am self-taught...)

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#1112662 - 01/09/07 07:46 AM Re: Mozart Fantasy in D minor Study Group
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I am at school right now, my edition gives all the fingerings and I will be posting them later. Have Fun! \:D

Matt

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