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Thanks for all this work you are putting into this homeinmyshoes.
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I was thinking about alphabetizing. I'm just trying to shove as much in as I can find right now (outside of the suspect PDF list) and then I'll sort it and work on some consistency of naming. I am not overly impressed with the HTML formatting coming out of box.net so I am working in good old notepad. :P
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You're correct, I can not edit my original post. We'll either need a moderator or a new thread.
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^I stuffed the links (well some of them into the document). At some point , I'll stick the rest there too so there's hopefully a one-stop-shopping concept. On my to do list: - BC -> grades 1 to 7 - ABRSM -> grades 1 to 4 - put the other links in - spend some time practicing? Integrate the unkonwn sources PDF stuff. Anyone know what to do in cases where they list two parts of a given sonata at a certain grade? There's some grade 10 cases where they are asking the student for movement 1 and 2 or movement 2 and 3 from a sonata. Someone had mentioned that grades for the individual movements would be nice and I agree.
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It's a lot more flexible to use the original Excel file of the graded pieces. I use this all the time when I come in contact with new music. Not everything is here of course and the ratings probably have to be taken with a grain of salt, but it's a good starting place. Try here: http://www.pianostreet.com/Graded_Pieces_All.xls posted in these threads too: here and here.
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in Excel formatIt's pretty easy to generate the html off the excel. I still have a few grades to integrate from ABRSM and BC, but it's a starting point.
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Thanks very much for your work on this, along with the other contributors!
Ive saved the excel spreadsheet and now can very easily locate a composer and find the piece and it's approx. level.
Good Stuff!
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That is epic, HomeInMyShoes. Is it possible to go from HTML to Excel as well?
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^I'm sure it's possible, but I haven't written any transformation code for that process. You'd think for someone with a Computer Science degree I'd generate something technologically savvy. Not.
It's easier to just create a concatenate field in Excel to generate the table row definitions for the pieces. It's a pretty low-tech solution, but it works and most people want Excel or maybe a delimited file which I could generate as well if someone needs one. I just copy and paste from the lists I've gotten. It's all very scientific.
Which reminds me that I should finish up mushing in the BC lists for Grades 1 to 4.
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I was looking at some of the links above from HomeInMyShoes, and it says that I am playing a level 6 piece, which I have my doubts.
The question I have is, are the ratings based on the original composition? I would think they are. All the websites to purchase music that I have seen are arrangements of the original work. If the ratings are based on the original composition, where does one find said original music?
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^Hmmm....good question. What is the piece in question? Generally the ratings are based on original composition, unless it specifically mentions an arrangement in the title.
It also depends on which grading system you normally look at. The ABRSM stuff seems about one grade below most of the Canadian ones which is where I pulled a lot of information from since I'm familiar with it. As well, the pianoforum unknown origin pdf/excel file consistently rated pieces two grades below the Canadian syllabi. It's the reason I consciously included source in the lists.
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I should add that unless you look at the syllabi for the exams you may plan to take it's definitely a bit of an unknown. What is handy though is being able to compare pieces or find something similar or a bit harder to work on. That is the real value to these kinds of lists for me.
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I used the Canadian website and they list Beethoven's bagatelle as a 6. Probably the original composition is a 6, but the arrangement I have is definitely not.
I think it is great to use these rating websites, if I can find where to purchase the original music compositions.
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^You will get to pieces on the list soon enough. Even sooner if I get my butt in gear and finish off grades 1 to 4 from the BC lists.
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So do you know where to get original compositions as apposed to arrangements?
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Which bagatelle? Do you have an opus number, key it's in?
There's lots of places to get sheet music online, but I like having books around and I actually like seeing the book before I buy it. Unless it's from a series of repetoire-style books that I know what I'm actually in for. There's a lot of variety in note spacing, blackness, too much fingering indications, not enough fingering indications, too much embellishment, not enough. It's all very personal when it comes to reading the sheet.
sheetmusicplus.com seems to come up quite a bit, but they seem to sell individual pieces as opposed to books and amazon.com is a good place to search if you know what you're looking for and there's no music book store close by. A quick search on amazon found a lot of options.
I've never regretted any of the Alfred's Masterworks series I've bought, although the thicker ones tend to break along the spine. Schirmer is a reasonably respected option, but I find Alfred's is easier on my eyes, Shirmer is a bit darker and denser on the note side. I even saw Urtext on amazon.
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But isn't Alfred's, et al just a book of arrangements? One can take any piece of music, say Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto No.1, and arrange it so it would be at a level 5 or 6 compared with the original that would be a 10 or off the charts.
That's why I say, we need to have the original composition in order to compare them to a list of rankings, yes?
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Yes, you are correct that you can arrange any piece to be easier. Alfred's Masterworks are the originals, but these are different and shouldn't be confused with the Alfred's Adult Piano series.
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Alfred's Masterworks are the originals... Oh Really! That is good to know, thank you. At what level are the pieces in his book? Do you have the ISBN so I can check it out?
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