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#2529175 - 04/09/16 04:30 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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Right, okay.
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#2529180 - 04/09/16 04:54 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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I don't understand you, Richard. It seems like you are cutting your nose off to spite your face. You are too impatient and you're overreacting. You need to give them a chance to rectify the situation. Sure, you may get irritated and have to exercise patience and nerve, but you will actually get the instrument you bought - not an exchange for an inferior model worth half the price. Why on earth would you want to take a hit like that? Half the value?! It's crazy talk! There's no guarantee you'll like the cheaper exchange model, and there's no guarantee it will not carry the same defect. Just get it fixed and be patient. It probably won't take any longer to sort out than this exchange will take - possibly less time.

I say this with the best of intentions because we've chatted for years and exchanged PMs. But for your own good, you need a slap across the face on this. Stop overreacting. Sort out the problem. Be patient.

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#2529190 - 04/09/16 05:43 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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There is absolutely no reason to keep a piano that has twice the value of another when the less expensive model already has all of the same identical sounds, features, specifications, and updates.

The ebony polish cabinet is the difference in the price whereas all other details are equal. You cannot move the V100 around in the way you can with the H1 with ST1 stand and I want to have an option for portability.

You are paying extra just for a fancy cabinet and I don't need or require the mirror image appearance -- just sounds and function.
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#2529191 - 04/09/16 05:47 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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Originally Posted By pv88
You are paying extra just for a fancy cabinet.


Yes. And you have paid that difference! So you are entitled to enjoy what that difference gives you - the fancy cabinet, for want of a better term.
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#2529192 - 04/09/16 05:56 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: EssBrace]
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It doesn't matter if you have ebony polish, black walnut, rosewood, mahogany, as there is no perceived difference in the sounds from any of them as the small Kawai EP3 I have sounds a lot better to me in its speaker projection over the more expensive Kawai CA95 that I ended up trading in for a Clavinova, later.
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#2529198 - 04/09/16 06:25 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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Originally Posted By pv88

I, for one, don't put much value in the cabinets.


Didn't you opt to buy a piano in a polished wooden cabinet? Whether that was for aesthetic reasons only or on the assumption that the sound would be better as well is a side issue.

But I can't see how this chimes in with your claim not to put value in cabinets. After all, I think you mentioned earlier an extra cost in terms of thousands of dollars just for the cabinet.

Why not stick with the piano as it is, insisting on its being repaired, regulated and finished absolutely to your satisfaction? This has already been paid for and, one would assume, is outlined in the contract in your favour.
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#2529201 - 04/09/16 06:30 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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Given that I've almost always got too much to say for myself I find myself genuinely at a loss for words.
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#2529203 - 04/09/16 06:49 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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Is there a reason you keep changing all your posts Richard? People respond in all good faith to contribute to the conversation around your situation, mainly based around the content of your posts. But a short while later you edit out the bulk of your posts. This does not aid the continuity of the conversation at all.

I can appreciate that you would now rather have the H1 with stand but I do think that you should enter into some constructive dialogue with Viscount, rather than bluntly instructing them to comply with your wishes. Personally I think they should be given a chance to deal with the problems you have with the V100 but failing that why would you want to surrender the difference in value between the instruments so quickly? There must be a compromise solution here if both sides enter into discussions constructively.

I wish you well with your deliberations and discussions but I think I will refrain from contributing further until you have some resolution. I'll keep an eye on it and as I said before, I very much look forward to your first recordings on your Physis (whatever form it takes).
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#2529248 - 04/09/16 11:08 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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Waiting on confirmation for exchange from Viscount over the next several days.
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#2529429 - 04/10/16 03:03 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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If this was me I would first make the claim with Viscount (like you did) and then play the heck out of the piano for a few days to see if I liked the sound and keyboard action. If after a few days it didn't have a wow factor I would use the keyboard defect issue to try and return it to get my money back.

Both the V-100 and H1 w/ST1 stand look sharp! The ST1 stand weighs 110bs and combined with its dimensions isn't going to be all that easy to move either.

Luckily for me I purchased a V-Piano a few years back (for an amazing price) and since then have had no desire to get anything else. The V-Piano is the only piano I play so my ears are adjusted to the sound.





Edited by 3fngers (04/10/16 05:43 PM)

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#2529454 - 04/10/16 05:22 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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*Deleted*

Also, looks like his store is closed on Monday too so maybe no reply now until Tuesday?


Edited by BB Player (04/11/16 06:40 PM)
Edit Reason: Moronic comment deleted
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#2529456 - 04/10/16 05:24 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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Originally Posted By pv88
Will be selling/trading in the V100 if there isn't a reasonable response from Viscount tomorrow as no one apparently checks email over the weekends especially if you are a church-going gay dude like the guy from Viscount is. Customers don't mean much when their duty is to God and bible studies.


Seriously?
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#2529460 - 04/10/16 05:34 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: EssBrace]
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Originally Posted By EssBrace
Originally Posted By pv88
Customers don't mean much when their duty is to God and bible studies.


Seriously?


Let's call a spade a spade.

* Note from moderator: no, let's not. And goodbye. *


Edited by BB Player (04/11/16 06:31 PM)
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#2529464 - 04/10/16 05:50 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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Originally Posted By pv88
I have nothing to hide as I already sent a rather direct email to Viscount with more or less the same words although I did apologize afterwards knowing he might be offended by my comments and may not even reply to my emails.

My personal views on matters are what they are and perhaps some people just need to see the light of day. AIDS and other problems are prevalent among same sex couples and I just do not condone it plain and simple. God created "Eve" to be with Adam and not another man.

Let's call a spade a spade.


I'm new round here, but this stuff is just bonkers.

You insult the guy, and post hateful stuff here, and yet you expect him to do you a favour?

What on earth has his sexuality got to do with any of this anyway?

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#2529469 - 04/10/16 05:57 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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Wow, pv88, can't believe what I am reading! Why the hate?
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#2529471 - 04/10/16 05:58 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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Wow. Is this is what this epic saga has now become?

I agree with a previous poster...someone needs a smackdown. This is a good way to get kicked off of Pianoworld.

Although, I may share similar values, this is not a forum for personal judgement.

I understand you are frustrated, but you can't take this personally, and in order to get the best outcome, I think you need to try to be a bit more professional..and patient.

You already had the V100 delivered weeks ahead of what you initially thought. I think they(Viscount) did everything in their power to organize to the best of their ability...maybe with some prompting from you.

They have showed they are willing to rectify the issue.
How many people/stores/businesses etc are available 24/7, including weekends(Sundays) to be at beckon call?

Apparently Joshua Dove has very recently been handed this opportunity of head of sales North America, as previous gentleman(who I knew) reluctantly resigned frown Give Josh a chance to make you happy.

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#2529474 - 04/10/16 06:08 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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pv88, let me try to help appease the scenario:

As a piano technician/tuner, I frequently have to regulate, space keys etc. If the cabinet of the V100 is such that, as in an acoustic piano, the front key rail(keyslip) can be removed...providing easy visibility/access to front of action/keys, the front key pin issues(if bent) can be easily rectified in a matter of moments.
I am not a DP technician and can only compare with that of AP's...but if this is the case it may be worth an extra few days. Once a tech has the service manual, which should be a matter of an email link/download, I would presume you would be in business...then just a matter of lining up a technician.

If however, if you are dead set against having the V100, then Godspeed to you. I know you were at first interested in the H1/ST1.

Regardless, DON'T BURN BRIDGES. Exercise "honey not vinegar" wink

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#2529481 - 04/10/16 06:22 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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The request has already been made for the exchange to the H1 plus ST1 Stand and await reply accordingly. If this request cannot be managed then the V100 will either be sold/traded in for another item, locally.
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#2529543 - 04/10/16 10:23 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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Richard, with the greatest respect, you appear to be in a state that is psychiatric in nature. I think you need to treat the anxiety you are experiencing first, then decide what to do with your piano. When we are so overwrought with emotions and anxiety, we can't make wise decisions. I urge you to calm down before taking further action. In the meantime, there's a good chance that a solution to your problem with the V100 will be found. Don't count on swapping for the H1 being the solution - that will be another couple of weeks of waiting. It was already highly unpleasant for you waiting for the V100. I also think you should probably refrain from posting a lot here on PW for now, just until you are feeling more positive. I am genuinely concerned for how this saga is affecting you. I hope you are able to find some calm and get on a better track.

Best wishes wish getting it sorted. Just remember: patience is the key.

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#2529544 - 04/10/16 10:28 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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ando, are you telling Richard to take his med's? (Please do not be too harsh on me; I am a sensitive soul).

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#2529551 - 04/10/16 11:04 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: Pete14]
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Originally Posted By Pete14
ando, are you telling Richard to take his med's? (Please do not be too harsh on me; I am a sensitive soul).


I'm saying we are dealing with somebody who is highly upset and agitated and we should try to exercise some caution and restraint so we don't make it worse. Richard needs to do the same.

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#2529754 - 04/11/16 02:19 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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The word "hate" gets thrown around too much, and there was no hate here. People can have opinions that differ from yours, and if you can't accept that, then you are the intolerant one.

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#2529790 - 04/11/16 03:29 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: proteal]
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Originally Posted By proteal
The word "hate" gets thrown around too much, and there was no hate here. People can have opinions that differ from yours, and if you can't accept that, then you are the intolerant one.


Trying to excuse, explain or apologise for homophobia are we? Fail.
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#2529811 - 04/11/16 04:13 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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Guys (and gals, and members of the LGBTQ community) while I am someone who loves a good vigorous debate over...well anything really, I humbly submit that this is not the appropriate venue for the discussion of politics or religion.

Warm Regards,
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#2529826 - 04/11/16 04:59 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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Originally Posted By pv88
@Steve,

Sorry, as your comment regarding "homophobia" is not relevant when I have only stated that I simply do not condone same sex relationships as this is neither hatred or discrimination.

Here is confirmation of man/woman communion:

http://biblehub.com/genesis/2-22.htm


Oh dear...out comes the bible. Predictable and depressing. Don't bother being a free thinking intellect and developing ones own view of life and the world...just reference this baseless poppycock and suspend all independent thought. Of course, had you been born in another region of the world you'd trot out a load of nonsense from an entirely different tradition.

This is indeed a piano forum, as others have said, and these issues shouldn't really raise their heads too much. But if you think I'm gong to sit idly by while you use this place to promulgate your spiteful ignorance you can think again.
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#2529851 - 04/11/16 05:58 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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Thanks for the PM warning me to 'be careful' as I was 'playing with fire'. I'll keep that in mind.

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#2529854 - 04/11/16 06:10 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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Exchange now being processed:

Just received word from Viscount the requested exchange for the H1 with ST1 Stand is being reviewed and there will be additional details in 48 hours.
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#2529867 - 04/11/16 06:32 PM Re: Physis Piano [Re: pv88]
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