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#2027918 - 02/06/13 07:16 AM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: Ray Xavier]
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Originally Posted By: Ray Xavier
Oke, thanks for the feedback everybody. You guys are making me wonder if I'm gonna go for the Nord piano 2 or the RD 700 NX.
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In terms of MIDI, is there really a big difference? I mean I'm planning to connect my "new stage piano" to a (usb) audio interface via a MIDI cable and what happens after that.. NO idea, but can you really hear the difference?

When it comes to MIDI, it's not a matter of sound quality, you won't hear a difference, rather it's a matter of MIDI features. Like, do you want buttons on the piano to be able to call up different sounds over MIDI? Do you want to have volume controls for both internal and external sounds on the piano? Do you want pitch bend and modulation controls? etc.

Originally Posted By: Ray Xavier
Everybody here is confinsing me that the RD 700 NX is a wonderful instrument (and I believe that) but I must say that when I was playing on the RD 300 NX I didn't really like it. Is it really such a difference between the two?

Yes, especially in the action.

Originally Posted By: Ray Xavier
And when you're looking at the piano library's.. does Nord beat Roland?

In terms of number of different piano sounds available, yes. In terms of the quality of piano sounds, IMO, no, but that's subjective. If you're using MIDI, though, you also have the possibility of adding different piano sounds to either one that way (as long as you're willing to be connected to another device while playing... in this case, typically a computer).

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#2027919 - 02/06/13 07:19 AM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: Dr Popper]
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott

Isn't the RD-700NX a full 4-zone controller, i.e. like the MP6, whereas the MP10 is more piano but less controller?


Well yes but the MP10 does that too ...easier.

I just checked the manual, it looks like the MP10 supports only one MIDI zone (two zones total). The MP6 and (and I think the RD-700NX) support four MIDI zones, so when it comes to being a 4-zone controller, it would not be right to say that "MP10 does that too."

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#2027926 - 02/06/13 07:34 AM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott
Originally Posted By: Dr Popper
Originally Posted By: anotherscott

Isn't the RD-700NX a full 4-zone controller, i.e. like the MP6, whereas the MP10 is more piano but less controller?


Well yes but the MP10 does that too ...easier.

I just checked the manual, it looks like the MP10 supports only one MIDI zone (two zones total). The MP6 and (and I think the RD-700NX) support four MIDI zones, so when it comes to being a 4-zone controller, it would not be right to say that "MP10 does that too."


Yeah well the RD is also fully 16 part Multi if you want it to be. But the MP10 is a very easy controller to use. My 7yo daughter uses it with ease.
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#2027928 - 02/06/13 07:44 AM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: Dr Popper]
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Originally Posted By: Dr Popper
My 7yo daughter uses it with ease.


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#2027961 - 02/06/13 08:52 AM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: Dr Popper]
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Originally Posted By: Dr Popper
Yeah well the RD is also fully 16 part Multi if you want it to be.

That has nothing to do with it being a controller.

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#2028014 - 02/06/13 11:02 AM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: Ray Xavier]
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does the 700nx and the fp7f have the same action? what about the 300nx and the fp3f?
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#2028031 - 02/06/13 11:29 AM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: adak]
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Originally Posted By: adak
does the 700nx and the fp7f have the same action?

http://www.rolandus.com/products/details/1123
"The FP-7F features Roland’s newly developed PHA III Ivory Feel-S Keyboard with Escapement. With the same progressive hammer action and escapement as the top-line PHA III"

(Where the RD-700NX has "PHA III Ivory Feel Keyboard with Escapement".)

Another post somewhere claims a Roland tech indicated they indeed felt slightly different.

Originally Posted By: adak
what about the 300nx and the fp3f?

RD-300NX: "New Ivory Feel-G keyboard with Escapement"
FP-4F: "Ivory Feel-G keyboard with Escapement"

Someone else will have to chime in about what that really means ...


Edited by xorbe (02/06/13 11:33 AM)

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#2028035 - 02/06/13 11:37 AM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: Ray Xavier]
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700NX and FP7F have the same action; 300NX and FP4F have the same action as each other, but not the same as the 700NX/FP7F.

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#2028040 - 02/06/13 11:45 AM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
origen, congrats on the purchase of your new RD-700NX! I agree, it's a fantastic board!

May I ask why you felt the Roland is superior to the Kawai in terms of MIDI features? I'm just wondering if there's perhaps something missing from the MP10's interface or connectivity?

Cheers,
James
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I was actually mistaken in my original statement on the 700nx and mp10 not comparing in midi mode, they do actually compare quite well and I will edit my post to reflect that, the 700nx appears to only be slightly better in the fact that you can split it into 4 zones and layer those, but so far I haven't needed to do that, so for me they are really quite similar. I do however really enjoy many of the synths and bass synth patches which the mp10 doesn't really have, and one other note - the Jazz Scat patch (1st one in choirs) is sooooo fun to play around with. I havent had this much fun with one patch in a long time. Its kind of corny but the way the notes change with key velocity makes trying to play songs much more interesting. Im working on Ben Folds "The Luckiest" right now and loving life. One of the great underrated artists of our time.
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#2028200 - 02/06/13 03:53 PM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott
700NX and FP7F have the same action; 300NX and FP4F have the same action as each other, but not the same as the 700NX/FP7F.

I wonder? They are visually, or cosmetically, different.

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#2028223 - 02/06/13 04:32 PM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: origen]
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Originally Posted By: origen
Im working on Ben Folds "The Luckiest" right now and loving life. One of the great underrated artists of our time.


+1 cool

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#2028225 - 02/06/13 04:34 PM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: anotherscott]
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Originally Posted By: anotherscott
Originally Posted By: Dr Popper
Yeah well the RD is also fully 16 part Multi if you want it to be.

That has nothing to do with it being a controller.


Nope but it is another thing it can do that most stages can't.
I can't imagine many people using it as a feature however the RD has a lot of patches and whiles the organs and EP's are not exactly first class the pads, strings and synth patches are excellent.
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#2028242 - 02/06/13 05:04 PM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: spanishbuddha]
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Originally Posted By: spanishbuddha
Originally Posted By: anotherscott
700NX and FP7F have the same action; 300NX and FP4F have the same action as each other, but not the same as the 700NX/FP7F.

I wonder? They are visually, or cosmetically, different.


To me the actions of the 700NX and FP7 feel different, though not a lot. It may have something to do with how they're bedded in different boards. I can also accept the possibility that the seeming difference is all in my head. smile


Edited by ClsscLib (02/06/13 05:04 PM)
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#2028246 - 02/06/13 05:10 PM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: Ray Xavier]
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The difference between RD (700NX) and FP (7F) action is just the key surface. The actions are mechanically identical. FP has a whiter - and probably more resilient - fake ivory key covering and the key assembly is all one colour. RD has the fake wood colour underneath a slightly more textured fake ivory surface. Any other perceived difference is just to do with the chassis or structure of the slab itself or of course any settings that may be different such as touch curve or offset etc.
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#2028320 - 02/06/13 07:17 PM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: Ray Xavier]
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Version 2 of the RD700-NX has the same keybed as the FP7-F. The all white keys and more resilient ivory touch have been introduced across both boards due to complaints about the original keybed of the FP7-F and RD700-NX. (Ivory Touch rubbed off for example)

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#2028325 - 02/06/13 07:33 PM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: Ray Xavier]
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I haven't seen one reference to wearing keys on FP-7F. I owned a very early one and the keys were whiter than other PHA-III keys with a slightly smoother texture too.

I would be surprised if exactly the same keys were now on RD-700NX - surely it still has the wood coloured under structure to the keys?
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#2028345 - 02/06/13 08:18 PM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: Ray Xavier]
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I've owned both.

Nord Piano 2. It sounds much better live, it's lighter, has free piano and sample libraries, has better string/sympathetic resonance implementation, etc etc etc, need I say more? cool
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#2028385 - 02/06/13 09:11 PM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: Nigeth]
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Originally Posted By: Nigeth
Version 2 of the RD700-NX has the same keybed as the FP7-F.
Where did get this information? Isn't Version 2 just a software update? Roland doesn't say anything about replacing the keyboard on their website.
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#2028387 - 02/06/13 09:16 PM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: Ray Xavier]
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One thing that I don't see talked about around here very much is mono-compatibility. If you're shopping for something that you intend to use LIVE on stage you should check to see how it sounds though a single speaker in mono. Not all digital pianos are created equal when it comes to this. Just my $.02
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#2028394 - 02/06/13 09:27 PM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: Ray Xavier]
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Very good point Mike.

This is one of my criticisms of the Nord piano sounds - they sound fantastic in stereo (especially through headphones), but when summed to mono or just played using one channel, suffer terribly.

I applaud Casio for considering the importance of a piano patch that still sounds good in mono - these intelligent moves will be greatly appreciated by gigging players.

I'm just curious though, can you explain a little more about how the PX-5S will function in mono? Is it using some clever summing algorithms, or are there separate mono versions of the stereo patch?

Cheers,
James
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#2028410 - 02/06/13 10:15 PM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James


I applaud Casio for considering the importance of a piano patch that still sounds good in mono - these intelligent moves will be greatly appreciated by gigging players.

I'm just curious though, can you explain a little more about how the PX-5S will function in mono? Is it using some clever summing algorithms, or are there separate mono versions of the stereo patch?


Obviously mono compatibility has to do with a lot of things that are done during the sampling process. Mic placement that sounds great in stereo can cause all kinds of phase cancellation problems when summed to mono.

They PX-5S (in its current beta software state) has two Mono grand piano sounds. We tested them at NAMM through the PA when we found them and they sounded great. No dramatic change in tone or character. If I were to guess they've summed them somehow.

On the "synthy" side (Hex Layers) of the PX-5S you can grab each of the four layers of the piano samples, including the left and right side separately. I'll have to try variations between using just the Left or Right vs using Both at the same time and without panning to see if I can figure what they've done.
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#2028419 - 02/06/13 10:31 PM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: Ray Xavier]
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The Nord Pianos have a mono summing feature. I run stereo at some gigs, but often times I run mono and it sounds good.
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#2028421 - 02/06/13 10:34 PM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: Kawai James]
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Very good point Mike.

This is one of my criticisms of the Nord piano sounds - they sound fantastic in stereo (especially through headphones), but when summed to mono or just played using one channel, suffer terribly.

I applaud Casio for considering the importance of a piano patch that still sounds good in mono - these intelligent moves will be greatly appreciated by gigging players.

I'm just curious though, can you explain a little more about how the PX-5S will function in mono? Is it using some clever summing algorithms, or are there separate mono versions of the stereo patch?

Cheers,
James
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Just make sure you advertise it well. No point in having a great piano feature if no one really knows why it is better than the competition. Marketing is important. I hope the PX-5S sells well, it looks like a great piano.
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#2028466 - 02/07/13 12:16 AM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: Ray Xavier]
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these days I run my boards in stereo...
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#2028747 - 02/07/13 01:03 PM Re: buying a stage piano for the best "grand piano sound" [Re: Ray Xavier]
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Originally Posted By: Ray Xavier
when I went playing on the Nord piano 2.. I was instantly sold.


The Nord pianos are very good, if you loved it you should get it. I actually bought a Stage 2 sight unseen but sent it back as the feel was just too light.

You'll find afficionados for every piano you named though. If the Nord Piano made your heart leap I see no reason not to get one. It's a very respectable instrument.

Just remember to also budget for some high-quality powered monitors, stands, and headphones. That can add another $1000 to the purchase...

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