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#2053608 - 03/24/13 05:40 PM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: Kawai James]
FredrikJ Offline
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Registered: 01/06/13
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Originally Posted By: jarosujo
Looking for jack laying somewhere on the floor is more complicated than just pressing one button or pushing slider. It`s all about cost saving I believe which I can understand in 50€ CD player but not in 2000€ DP.


The headphone jacks for both the CA65 and CS6 are located on the front-left of the instrument, in a position that is easily accessible - it should not be necessary to lay on the floor to connect a pair of headphones.



Cheers,
James
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That looks much better than on my CN34. On that model it's in the same place, but not tilted towards you but instead flat, in level with the bottom plate. I frequently switch between speakers and headphones (and I often connect two headphones). I don't have to lay on the floor to do it, but it can be a little cumbersome to access.

This is one of very few things I which was different on my CN34 (which I'm very, very satisfied with so far) smile

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#2053615 - 03/24/13 06:04 PM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: Kawai James]
jarosujo Offline
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Originally Posted By: Kawai James
Originally Posted By: GPP
I'm still 100% with Kawai, but Yamaha has the switch ... you can choose speakers, headphones or both.


Which model?

James
x


Does it exists ? I have never seen such a switch, looks like most electronic devices just turn off internal speakers when you plug in headphones. I have no idea why is that.
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#2053667 - 03/24/13 07:45 PM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: GPP]
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Again....can the Kawai reps tell us if a more portable version of the state-of-the-art action employed in the CA-65 is to be made available?

Using a Roland fp-4 at present.

I think that in terms of ACTION and FEEL there may be something more piano-like out there!

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#2053865 - 03/25/13 08:34 AM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: doume]
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It obviously has a switch inside of jack, because, there is also indicator on the display ... well, who cares pluging and unpluging, still sounds and feels great. For 2000€ there is no second choice inspite od CA65.
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#2053868 - 03/25/13 08:44 AM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: johnlewisgrant]
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Originally Posted By: johnlewisgrant
Again....can the Kawai reps tell us if a more portable version of the state-of-the-art action employed in the CA-65 is to be made available?


It's not something that I can comment on, I'm afraid.

If you require a portable board with the most realistic keyboard action, the VPC1 is probably your best option.

Kind regards,
James
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#2053892 - 03/25/13 09:46 AM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: GPP]
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Originally Posted By: GPP
It obviously has a switch inside of jack, because, there is also indicator on the display ... well, who cares pluging and unpluging, still sounds and feels great. For 2000€ there is no second choice inspite od CA65.


I am just saying that I don't understand, why there is ALWAYS switch inside jack connector. Every electronic device is like that, sometimes you need to have sound from headphones and speakers at the same time - for example my father can not hear very well, so he uses headphones for TV, which is not possible if someone else wants to watch as well.
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#2053933 - 03/25/13 10:58 AM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: johnlewisgrant]
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(A little off topic):
Originally Posted By: johnlewisgrant
Yup... did book 1 almost ten years ago. I had started book 2 but decided to wait a bit, partly because I wasn't satisfied with the current samples, partly because I didn't feel I understood Bk 2 that well. I've said this before, but I think Ivory American Grand just might be the sample for Book 2.

I don't particularly want to use the pmi Bos 291 again, although it continues to sound amazingly real as a recorded strictly classical piano sound.

Also, I'll have to find a happy home for Bk 2, since "Piano Society" no longer accepts explicitly midi material. Midi that isn't acknowledged as such continues to get in; but that can't be stopped. The sound quality is easily convincing; the only issue is musical... quantized and totally fake-sounding stuff is still very, very easy to spot.
I am using the edition by Béla Bartók (this was most readily avilable in my childhood in Hungary, Bartóks home land). He rearranged the works (mixed from both WTC books) after pedagogical aspects (easiest works first). I followed his sort order only a little (but I played mostly the fugues from the easier collection at first) and found insterestingly most works from the book2 the more accesible for me.

I am using VintageD and the ViennaGrand from Galaxy for this (the PMIs are obsolete) but had to make a series of sound improvements to get satisfactory results. I would also suggest to experiment a little with the generally available Neidhardt's temperament Große Stadt from 1724 (also a result of my long private research). For the ease of use with my laptop + playability + good (=lossless) temperament implementation I lastly found the new Bosendorfer emulation on the basis Bluethner of Pianoteq as a good practice tool (just as a welcome heresy for myself.) + PT has some historical instruments, even a clavichord, which are even more competetive in comparison to DPs poor built in Harpsichord&Co sounds as the case with piano sounds.
For these my needs I have now chosen the CA65 (over the 95, VPC1):
Does anyone drive Ivory II from a Kawai CA65
- just waiting for more user comparisons GF/RM3-II. I can wait, am not left without instruments, both digital an acoustic.


Edited by Temperament (03/25/13 11:04 AM)
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#2053970 - 03/25/13 11:55 AM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: GPP]
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Registered: 11/17/07
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Loc: canada
VPC1 might be a 2nd-best choice for my purposes. Must be able to move the keyboard. I notice that the VPC1 claims to have setups for some of the software piano packages.

(Must check out Bartok on WTC... interesting)

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#2054122 - 03/25/13 05:02 PM Re: Kawai CA-65 vs. CS-6 [Re: johnlewisgrant]
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Originally Posted By: johnlewisgrant
VPC1 might be a 2nd-best choice for my purposes.


May I ask what is the 1st?

Originally Posted By: johnlewisgrant
I notice that the VPC1 claims to have setups for some of the software piano packages.


Correct. Approved Touch Curves for Ivory II, Pianoteq, Galaxy D, and Alicia's Keys.

Kind regards,
James
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