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#2111173 - 07/01/13 12:36 PM Re: Sight-Reading Boot Camp [Re: Maechre]
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New video! I'm quite rusty. And this video's really blurry (out of focus). But you get the idea. wink



How's everyone doing?
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#2111343 - 07/02/13 03:44 AM Re: Sight-Reading Boot Camp [Re: Maechre]
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I am still hanging in there doing 15-20 mins daily sight reading. I have been at this for seven months and although improvement seems glacial, there is a least improvement of sorts.

I ordered and am now working through the two books you recommended (88 Piano Classics and 101 Piano Solos). They are great sight reading fodder.
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#2112659 - 07/04/13 07:13 AM Re: Sight-Reading Boot Camp [Re: Maechre]
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Still 20 pages to go and I'll be done with Hannah Smith... I'm struggling a bit with syncopations, but overall it's okay. Will try to read all I can during the summer.
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#2112691 - 07/04/13 09:18 AM Re: Sight-Reading Boot Camp [Re: sinophilia]
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Originally Posted By: sinophilia
Still 20 pages to go and I'll be done with Hannah Smith... I'm struggling a bit with syncopations, but overall it's okay. Will try to read all I can during the summer.


I'm stuck on exercises between 100-115 in Hannah Smith. These exercises seem so simple; single whole note on the left hand and quarter notes with simple melodies on the right hand. I'm having trouble when my left hand and right hand moves in opposite directions with big jumps. I'm aware of the problem and working on it. And it feels great! grin

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#2114811 - 07/08/13 05:41 PM Re: Sight-Reading Boot Camp [Re: Maechre]
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Just started sight reading super seriously. I was already doing it somehow as I often play a piece once and jump to the next one, but still I find I'm miles away of my technical level (which is not very high anyway :P )

thanks for the books recommendations

I got paul harris "improve your sight reading grade 2" and it looks exactly right for my level. Right now I am really struggling with the "look ahead thing" are you supposed to look 1,2,3 notes in advanced and prepare for it? Somehow I just can't read fast enough but I know the answer: practice, practice, practice!!

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#2117909 - 07/15/13 07:07 AM Re: Sight-Reading Boot Camp [Re: Maechre]
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Yay, I got to exercise 450 in the Hannah Smith's book! There were some complex rhythms that made me struggle, and I realized that getting the notes right is just the beginning!

Now I have the last section to do - ten pages of exercises in all keys - then I think I will start reading my Big Book of Beginner's Piano Classics from the beginning and see how I do.
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#2117937 - 07/15/13 09:01 AM Re: Sight-Reading Boot Camp [Re: Maechre]
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I think my memory is so bad that I can practice any piece over and over for sight-reading. I revisit some of songs that I have previously played and it feels like I'm sight-reading. Only difference is that, I can play it better now.

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#2118399 - 07/16/13 05:32 AM Re: Sight-Reading Boot Camp [Re: BlackForest]
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BlackForest:

For now, just try to look one note ahead of the one you're playing. When you start seeing the notes as scales and broken chords, then you'll be able to see farther ahead, and how quickly you can process the notes will make a difference as well, which as you know will come with practice.
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#2118501 - 07/16/13 11:31 AM Re: Sight-Reading Boot Camp [Re: Maechre]
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Thanks for the advice.

I had a ouple of frustrating seasons but really after two weeks I've noticed some progress. very little progress really but def some so I guess it is just a matter of practice!

This paul harris book is great and i got a similar one : joining the dots. I need a lot of material as I already have been through the pieces so much I am starting t become familiar woth them

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#2118655 - 07/16/13 05:29 PM Re: Sight-Reading Boot Camp [Re: BlackForest]
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Originally Posted By: BlackForest


I had a ouple of frustrating seasons but really after two weeks I've noticed some progress. very little progress really but def some so I guess it is just a matter of practice!



slow and difficult to quantify with a few false starts, and even a couple of back steps is how I would describe my sight reading after 9 months. I wish it were easier but it is a hard slog,
One trick people have advised is to turn your music upside down for some fresh sight reading experience. Bartok's Mikrokosmos vol 1 is good for sight reading practice and is available with lots of other material at http://imslp.org/



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#2166680 - 10/15/13 01:59 PM Re: Sight-Reading Boot Camp [Re: Maechre]
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Time to resurrect this thread!

After finishing the Hannah Smith book (which is invaluable) I stopped practicing sight-reading for a while, since I couldn't figure out how to continue. Today I've finally decided to start working with hymns, as so many people recommend. There are tons of free hymnals online but I particularly liked the LDS hymns suggested by Bobpickle. They have a simplified hymns book (Hymns Made Easy - 2 or 3 voices instead of 4), and even a more basic Keyboard Course for absolute beginners! It's ironic, I'm probably the least religious person on earth, but I've always loved church music smile
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#2369275 - 01/04/15 09:08 AM Re: Sight-Reading Boot Camp [Re: Maechre]
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I've had trouble getting anywhere with the fourth level of sight-reading - Piano/Vocal/Guitar, and intermediate music. I've figured my reading of the two hands separately is nowhere near good enough, so how can I expect to read two hands together? The problem is I can't read the chords in the right hand quickly enough to read along with the left hand (or vice versa). So I've decided to ONLY read right hand in this level of music for a while. As in, go through a number of books with just right hand. When I can read right hand and left hand separately more fluently, maybe I'll be able to put them together better.
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#2369459 - 01/04/15 04:58 PM Re: Sight-Reading Boot Camp [Re: Maechre]
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It's good to see that a group of you realize the importance of sight-reading ability and are working to improve it. I wish you all luck.
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#2369622 - 01/05/15 01:41 AM Re: Sight-Reading Boot Camp [Re: Maechre]
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Maechre, good to hear you are still going, we haven't heard from you in a while, not so good to hear you are not doing as well as you would like but you seem to have a plan. Your description of current problem and potential fix reminds us that sight reading is not just one activity but a collection of skills each of which need to be in good shape.
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#2375777 - 01/20/15 05:46 AM Re: Sight-Reading Boot Camp [Re: Maechre]
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Thanks. How's everyone else doing?
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#2375820 - 01/20/15 09:16 AM Re: Sight-Reading Boot Camp [Re: Maechre]
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Hi Maechre! I'm still working on my sight-reading too, about 20 minutes a day. I went through about 500 hymns so far and it's done wonders for chord recognition and learning new keys, especially when I need to rearrange the left hand on the fly (well almost!) because the notes are more than an octave apart. I just got book 3 of the Paul Harris' series and it's not awfully challenging, so I must have learned something.

My main goal in sight-reading is actually to speed up my "normal" practice, so I'm focusing on getting the notes right, rather than playing through without stopping. It seems like the first phases of learning a new piece are much quicker now, but I don't know if it's thanks to the sight-reading practice or just to all the music I've seen by now. Anyway, I find it relaxing and it's become a staple of my practice.
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#2375941 - 01/20/15 03:47 PM Re: Sight-Reading Boot Camp [Re: Maechre]
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I have spent time everyday just for sight reading since I started just over two years ago and I now understand the subject a lot better than when I started, (wish I knew then what I know now). I thought at the end of my first year improvement was minor, but by the end of the second I am actually sight reading simple material making me so happy. I had thought I was never going to improve but by keeping it simple I have. There are still holes in my theory knowledge that could help and I have to do some work on counting and rhythm but I am on my way.
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#2375954 - 01/20/15 04:18 PM Re: Sight-Reading Boot Camp [Re: Mete]
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I think my memory is so bad that I can practice any piece over and over for sight-reading. I revisit some of songs that I have previously played and it feels like I'm sight-reading.

Don't rely too much on that. After playing a measure once, you may not be able to play it again without looking at the score, but this doesn't mean that your brain hasn't "memorized" some elements of it. Which it does indeed. Even for really bad memorizers, actual sight reading practicing really means reading for the first time only once.

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