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#2138576 - 08/25/13 12:39 AM Re: Really Tedious Learns [Re: Kuanpiano]
bellamusica Offline
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The Bartok sonata... it took me the longest time to feel like I could actually play it, and the 2nd movement was never comfortable memory-wise, the 3rd movement was never comfortable technique-wise as I had to rearrange a couple spots that were too far for my hands to reach. Thus rendering them even more awkward than they were intended to be.

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#2138648 - 08/25/13 05:58 AM Re: Really Tedious Learns [Re: NeilOS]
wr Offline
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Originally Posted By: NeilOS
Originally Posted By: laguna_greg
niel,

I don't know, I think we should meet for diner next time I come down to LA.

Islamey- exactly. Why bother?


Absolutely, dinner it is. Let me know when you're here. I'm near Fairfax and 3rd (Park La Brea).


This forum does allow PMs.

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#2138650 - 08/25/13 06:00 AM Re: Really Tedious Learns [Re: bellamusica]
wr Offline
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Originally Posted By: bellamusica
The Bartok sonata... it took me the longest time to feel like I could actually play it, and the 2nd movement was never comfortable memory-wise, the 3rd movement was never comfortable technique-wise as I had to rearrange a couple spots that were too far for my hands to reach. Thus rendering them even more awkward than they were intended to be.


FWIW, Lang Lang has used the score when playing the Bartok sonata in public.

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#2138652 - 08/25/13 06:31 AM Re: Really Tedious Learns [Re: Brendan]
wr Offline
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Originally Posted By: Brendan
Originally Posted By: Kuanpiano
Are there any pieces that you really wanted to learn, and loved to listen to, but when you started learning them it was a frustrating, tedious experience?


Ligeti's √Čtudes. I've given up in those more times than I care to remember. They're cool to listen to, but a total pain to learn (and, ultimately, not worth the squeeze, IMO). At one point, I was hoping that one measure a day was sufficient progress on Autumn in Warsaw, but even that was impossible!


I love that Jeremy Denk, who plays most or all of them, described what Ligeti had done in one of them as "despicable".

It's amazing to see some of them turning up in competitions. Or maybe not. I guess they are seen as the cutting edge of the mainstream (an odd idea, to be sure, but I don't know how else to describe it).

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#2138676 - 08/25/13 07:51 AM Re: Really Tedious Learns [Re: Arghhh]
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Originally Posted By: Arghhh
Originally Posted By: AZNpiano
Originally Posted By: Orange Soda King
Anything Bach for me frown

Seriously?


Is it just learning the notes, or is it connecting with the music too? Since you love choral music so much, it might be useful and entertaining to imagine the fugue as sung quartet (or trio for a 3-voice fugue). Add words if you wish, and characters to each of the quartet members. I did this for the last fugue I worked on, and it greatly helped with shaping all the lines, and made it fun listening to their arguments.


I'm fine with the presence of multiple voices. It's just physically playing them with only two hands! ha

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#2138801 - 08/25/13 02:18 PM Re: Really Tedious Learns [Re: wr]
bellamusica Offline
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Originally Posted By: wr
Originally Posted By: bellamusica
The Bartok sonata... it took me the longest time to feel like I could actually play it, and the 2nd movement was never comfortable memory-wise, the 3rd movement was never comfortable technique-wise as I had to rearrange a couple spots that were too far for my hands to reach. Thus rendering them even more awkward than they were intended to be.


FWIW, Lang Lang has used the score when playing the Bartok sonata in public.


Ha, well I guess I feel a little better then...

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#2138855 - 08/25/13 03:59 PM Re: Really Tedious Learns [Re: wr]
Gerard12 Offline
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Originally Posted By: wr
Originally Posted By: Brendan
Originally Posted By: Kuanpiano
Are there any pieces that you really wanted to learn, and loved to listen to, but when you started learning them it was a frustrating, tedious experience?


Ligeti's √Čtudes. I've given up in those more times than I care to remember. They're cool to listen to, but a total pain to learn (and, ultimately, not worth the squeeze, IMO). At one point, I was hoping that one measure a day was sufficient progress on Autumn in Warsaw, but even that was impossible!


I love that Jeremy Denk, who plays most or all of them, described what Ligeti had done in one of them as "despicable".

It's amazing to see some of them turning up in competitions. Or maybe not. I guess they are seen as the cutting edge of the mainstream (an odd idea, to be sure, but I don't know how else to describe it).


...and I'm an enthusiastic admirer of Denk's disc of a selected group of those etudes. But I find that many peers and colleagues (except one) claim that they've worked on them only out of obligation (they've "had to"). I can count on both hands the number of times I've held the scores in my hands, only to put them back in the rack and walk out of the music store.

I do hope that in the coming years those pieces will march into the dead center of the pianistic mainstream. I just wish that I had the time......and patience.


Edited by Gerard12 (08/25/13 04:01 PM)
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#2138857 - 08/25/13 04:01 PM Re: Really Tedious Learns [Re: wr]
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Originally Posted By: wr
Originally Posted By: NeilOS
Originally Posted By: laguna_greg
niel,

I don't know, I think we should meet for diner next time I come down to LA.

Islamey- exactly. Why bother?


Absolutely, dinner it is. Let me know when you're here. I'm near Fairfax and 3rd (Park La Brea).


This forum does allow PMs.


Oh, do you feel left out, W? I'm sure we can find a table for three somewhere.
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#2138927 - 08/25/13 06:21 PM Re: Really Tedious Learns [Re: laguna_greg]
wr Offline
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Registered: 11/23/07
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Originally Posted By: laguna_greg
Originally Posted By: wr
Originally Posted By: NeilOS
Originally Posted By: laguna_greg
niel,

I don't know, I think we should meet for diner next time I come down to LA.

Islamey- exactly. Why bother?


Absolutely, dinner it is. Let me know when you're here. I'm near Fairfax and 3rd (Park La Brea).


This forum does allow PMs.


Oh, do you feel left out, W? I'm sure we can find a table for three somewhere.


I don't feel left out, because I turned off the ability to send me a PM here, and have no interest in dining with you.

But, you know, others use them for exactly the kind of personal exchange you two did. It's done out of courtesy to the forum, I believe.

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