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29M - Pianoteq 5 STAGE
30M - Pianoteq 5 STAGE.so
30M - Pianoteq 5 STAGE.lv/* I suppose that "Pianoteq 5 STAGE" is the standalone version, the "Pianoteq 5 STAGE.lv" is a LV plugin intended to be loaded in some DAW (ardour, others...). I don't know about "Pianoteq 5 STAGE.so", but it may be an other plugin for DAW.
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This means at least on Linux, I can reduce it down just to the 29M binary. I suspect you could do similar pruning on the Windows version.
This is what I do, I only extract the 64 bits executable, by the way it weights 32 Mb.
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I'm also fond of the spectrum profile; especially to fatten the lower end. I've not used it for the mid to upper registers. Pete, I should give that a whirl.  One reason I speculate that painoteq lacks fatness a bit too, whether true since not investigated it in detail to see what it actually outputs graphically, but I get the impression that _perhaps_ it does not model things much below 60 Hertz. I notice that the equaliser in the pianoteq interface starts at 60 Hz also. My audio interface has a build in mixer and my headphones respond right down to 15Hz, In my hearing test I can hear fine right down to 20 Hz and other music I can hear the effect of it quite clearly, so my cans and ears are capable of it and I can hear the difference. In painoteq it seems to have little to no bearing it seems to me when I increase those sub 50 - 60 frequencies in the mixer and give that bit more umpffh in the bass. To give that bit more _impression_ of bass it needs to be lifted in that region of 50 - 100 Hz, but that is not really sub frequency domain anymore, limitations of the model at this time perhaps ? At one point I owned a some grado prestige cans which while very nice sounding in mids and treble has no sub response bass worth speaking of, really dropping bass much akin to say 5 inch monitors do at around 50 Hz, but for pianoteq it hardly mattered much I felt compared to say ivory I also own, in fact they worked great with it, but again is seemed to confirm there was little going on in those lower frequencies when comparing to headphones that are capable of having a more flat and fuller bass response, to me it didn't seem to have much of an effect with painoteq when comparing them. This could be a good discussion for the forum on the Pianoteq site. It's been brought up in the distant past, but not recently. The opposing argument is that there is not much going on in those low freqs--after all, the fundamentals of the low strings on a real piano are often implied by the 2nd partial or higher. But are there still low freqs in some notes, or in mechanical noises? Don't know. Post on the Modartt site's forum, please. There's a thread about ideas for improvements in the most recent model.
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27.9 Hz was the (fundamental of the) lowest grand piano string IIRC, so I would be surprised if ANYTHING trying to emulate piano doesn't extend down at least that far.
Cutting off, or failing to to include, frequencies around 60 could only be justified DECADES AGO for reducing AC hum {50 Hz in some countries}
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The equalizer only goes down to 60Hz, but surely the sound generated will go down to 27Hz, and probably below for artifacts. Still, it is true to say that the fundamental of the lower notes on piano is very weak, and very rich in overtones.
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Cutting off, or failing to to include, frequencies around 60 could only be justified DECADES AGO for reducing AC hum {50 Hz in some countries} Those "some countries" are basically almost the entire world except North America and parts of South America:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Voltage_and_frequency.png
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Cutting off, or failing to to include, frequencies around 60 could only be justified DECADES AGO for reducing AC hum {50 Hz in some countries} Those "some countries" are basically almost the entire world except North America and parts of South America: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Voltage_and_frequency.png Right, but back when ac hum was an issue cut offs were generally set at 60 to accommodate the minority that you pointed to. BTW, that minority HAD THEN and STILL HAS the major market pull. So, if you had a point, what was it ?
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I asked on Pianoteq forum:
marcos daniel wrote:
Why does the EQ start at 60Hz, while A0's frequency is 27,5Hz (ideal)?
Philippe Guillaume wrote:
This was an arbitrary choice, thinking that one control point at 60 Hz was enough for controlling the range [20 kHz, 60 kHz]. Note that in Pianoteq PRO, using the Spectrum Profile Note Edit, you can control all individual partials for each note, including of course those which are below 60 Hz.
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I experimented with it some since and indeed it does respond to less < 60 Hertz. I don' t have an account there, only using the demo so far and been holding of whether to save up for the standard version that offers some extra features since I find stage somewhat limiting in that regard, and got things to sound more the way I like with the spectrum profile, which is not in stage, but it becomes a much bigger outlay, so something to consider in future.
I would still argue it is a bit of an 'odd' arbitrary choice to do so and stop at 60 Hz, tools like cubase or other drag and point equalisers go to at least 20 usually, and since many speaker systems are quite sensitive in this region or not flat, it may be desirable to be to have a more of a fine control in this region. I would recommend ask in an update that they add drag point and go down to 20 Hz.
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This product has been growing me with time after having owned the trial for a few months now using it regularly, for playing it is so nice,the way the pedal works respond too, everything just works nicely, so I bought stage. I did like the spectrum profile to tweak some little things, but it is a minor thing. In due course I can always upgrade to standard. One of my favourite feature as said earlier is the condition slider, stick that on about 0.15 to add that natural sense of slight imperfection of a real piano .. lovely As for the tone/sound for recording I still prefer the Ivory American D though for most music, that said, the decay and sustain in painoteq D4 is gorgeous/convincing sounding. For regular playing and practice I seem to have had less issue with pianoteq and it will be my goto most of the time now, seeing there is so much info in the pianoteq forums as well, Ivory does not have that level of public support. Glad to have both products though for different reasons. I learned a lot from the pianoteq trial, it has actually helped me to dial in ivory American as well a bit better as a result too. Another happy PT costumer. 
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Worth trying in tandem with your DP. Super sound, much better than the individuals, loads of character. IMO. . .
BTW, Pianoteq is up to 5.1.4 now. . . .they've got a Toy Piano there. Thought you'd all love to know that. . .
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Worth trying in tandem with your DP. Super sound, much better than the individuals, loads of character. IMO. . .
BTW, Pianoteq is up to 5.1.4 now. . . .they've got a Toy Piano there. Thought you'd all love to know that. . . Yep I do that already when playing, since the console sound is not as pointed coming from speakers, so it adds a nice surround feeling too, though never recorded them simultaneously in that way, ground loop issues I saw you thread on that too  only happens if I use the jacks coming out of the piano as well as USB at the same time, it is fine when recording USB alone and that is the only thing connected. Ivory American D is perfect for me in that regard for recording anyway so will stick with that, I just need to tweak Ivory settings quite a bit if I use pianoteq for playing for that to sound good in the recording using Ivory, I made a bit of a breakthrough recently in that area how to cross that bridge, but learning all the time.
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I found this interesting, in several ways; http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic.php?id=1634I don't pretend to understand ALL of it to its full depth, but it is something that I think can only be done at "user level" with Pianoteq.
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ground loop issues are easily dealt with after recording . .I fixed my problem; they may not show up through headphones or speakers, but do after the recording`s done..
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A new release of Pianoteq has just happened. They have added a Steinway B to the pianos! New version download required (5.50).
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