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After trying Bill Bremmer's mid-range tuning, now hack on the EBVT.

I am following the sequence on the web site. Not sure if I can understand the sequence. The F3-A3 is direct tuned with reference to metronome. The result is unusuable. Beg for suggestion of how to improve it. For ET, I can use 3rd, 4th and 5th progression to correct it. Don't know how to correct a ut.

Thirds
https://app.box.com/s/zbink3665zp9dbg5v2mg

Fourths
https://app.box.com/s/kymf9umw2upgcu15eqtw

Fifths
https://app.box.com/s/qveuhy5znz0xda4smjro

Sixths
https://app.box.com/s/ujj3iizv57hbu699b0zo

I am sorry to say but what you tuned is not the EBVT at all but it is Reverse Well.

Your F3A3 M3 is too tempered. You must temper it at 6 bps.

As F3A3 is the reference for tuning C4E4, G3E4 and G3B3, all this intervals are beating too fast, and instead of having a Well temperament you got the inverse.

You can even temper F3A3 at 5 or even 4 bps and you'll get stronger Well, the slower this M3 is the stronger the Well temperament will be. But tuning F3A3 faster than 6 bps takes you into the reverse well world.

Remember in a well the most harmonious M3 should be CE, C3E3, which in the case of EBVT has the same beat rate than F3A3. So tune F3A3 slightly slower than you use to tune it in ET and you'll get a nice light Victorian Well.

Thank. I underatnd little more aout EBVT and well, even though tuned n times VT EBVT III. Will hack again next week.

Your FA beats at 10.5 BPS instead of 6 bps.

Kees

Hi, this is my second attempt on EBVT. Thank you for comments.

Thirds
https://app.box.com/s/tbdwob74rl3dxs40h8xf

Fourths
https://app.box.com/s/j4a199jz4ro3ubsqr8qc

Fifths
https://app.box.com/s/31icgjsrf6ubxb0otslh

Major chords
https://app.box.com/s/kviljpvcm8f27yw067cb

That is much better! At least now you have a true Well Temperament. You actually did manage to capture the basic intent of the EBVT III and it is close enough to it as you have it to represent a Well Tempered sound, the same as a slightly irregular ET would still sound like ET.

From what I recall, the A3-C#4 beat a little too fast. B3-D#4 a little too slow. There were two 4ths that were a little too fast. Did you do the last two steps that convert the original EBVT to the EBVT III?

In any case, if you tuned the piano out from the temperament as you recorded it, you would get a good idea of how a piano should sound in a mild, Victorian Well Temperament. Thank you for trying again.

Bill, thank you!

I didn't do the last two step to convert to EBVT III. I think its better learn to tune EBVT first. Next week will de-tune more to practice again. Its cool to tune Victorian temperament aurally.

Much better!

But too strong for a Victorian Well. I mean Ab major is way too harsh. And C major too calm. But this time you got the "Well Tempered" idea.

Congratulations!

Keep practicing.

I hear the M3 CE too slow. Slower than FA. That is incorrect.

At first you must tune FA, CE, GE and GB to beat at 6 bps and then, in step 15 of the sequence, you slightly raise E4 so AE and BE beat exactly the same, so CE and GE should beat a little faster than FA and GB.

P.S. Too strong for a Victorian Well, in this case, means your F is a little sharp.

Thank you. You helped me understand the meaning of the sequence and how to correct awful chords.

Good job! The second one sounds a lot better!

Thank you for posting all of these sound clips, Weiyan! I am looking forward to you posting the sounds when you convert to EBVT III.

Nicely done!

--Andy