 |
Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 3 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments.
Over 100,000 members from around the world.
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers
(it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!
|
|
|
|
29 members (crab89, clothearednincompo, APianistHasNoName, Fried Chicken, CraiginNZ, bwv543, Cominut, 9 invisible),
1,250
guests, and
280
robots. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,765
4000 Post Club Member
|
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,765 |
Panfilov is a fine pianist, just doesn't have so much personality so can seem a bit dry.
Rajeshkumar on the other hand has a very personal way to interpret music that one either likes or not...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 6,563
6000 Post Club Member
|
|
OP
6000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 6,563 |
Panfilov is a fine pianist, just doesn't have so much personality so can seem a bit dry.
Rajeshkumar on the other hand has a very personal way to interpret music that one either likes or not... I agree on Panfilov. Rajeshkumar, yes he is different with his own ideas. But I think that bass line in the main theme of the fourth Ballade was, well too eccentric for me. But who knows after a little shock the jury might like it.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,765
4000 Post Club Member
|
|
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,765 |
I really like Taratushkin, he plays with clarity and lightness while maintaining a beautiful singing tone. Everything is very well balanced and the music comes out the way it should. I don't generally care much for Bach but I enjoyed his partita.
Compared to him Xu's Bach and Haydn seem a bit heavy, sometimes even harsh. But I really liked her Scarbo…
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,765
4000 Post Club Member
|
|
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,765 |
Yasynsky...Nothing wrong with his playing I guess, but does not appeal to me. If these young pianists think “expressing” in their face and body will transfer into the playing and to the listener, it really doesn't, quite the opposite. Constantly aiming for dramatic effect isn't that effective either.
Greco...His hard tone and banging style is too much for me, time to go to bed.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 36,799
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
|
|
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 36,799 |
If these young pianists think “expressing” in their face and body will transfer into the playing and to the listener, it really doesn't, quite the opposite. Constantly aiming for dramatic effect isn't that effective either. I feel quite differently. I think most of the audience watches a performer's face, and if the expression is genuine it can add a lot to a performance. The above is not an endorsement of a LL type of approach which most consider to be non genuine. And it also does not mean that the most stone faced and motionless playing cannot be moving also. It's a question of degree I think, and most pianists show some emotion on their face even it is subtle. For me at least, when a pianist like Trifonov emotes facially in the extreme, this only adds to his sense of involvement in the music.
Last edited by pianoloverus; 09/13/14 07:25 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,765
4000 Post Club Member
|
|
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,765 |
If these young pianists think “expressing” in their face and body will transfer into the playing and to the listener, it really doesn't, quite the opposite. Constantly aiming for dramatic effect isn't that effective either. I feel quite differently. I think most of the audience watches a performer's face, and if the expression is genuine it can add a lot to a performance. I guess this is where we differ. Of course my pianist ideal is ABM  With Yasynsky there were moments, especially in the Prok, when I wasn't watching and suddenly felt his playing was very expressive and then when I looked I noticed he was sitting controlled and calm...so I assume what he does isn't doing any good for his playing. I don't doubt it's genuine, though. When I look at the seasoned artists with their calm demeanor I feel the expression goes straight from their mind to their playing and is much more effective that way.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,765
4000 Post Club Member
|
|
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,765 |
Huang...Missed her Bach but she plays really well, that Chopin sonata was lovely, expecially the last movement.
BTW. There's a huge difference between listening to the live feed and the Youtube videos. I have the computer hooked into a Hifi-system and when listening to the feed it feels almost like being in the room, I feel can hear every nuance of the playing. Also brings out the differences in the players touches clearly.
Last edited by outo; 09/14/14 05:10 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 6,563
6000 Post Club Member
|
|
OP
6000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 6,563 |
Huang Miao struggled with the Chopin 3rd sonata at times, nothing related to her technique but rather to stage excitement.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,765
4000 Post Club Member
|
|
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,765 |
Huang Miao struggled with the Chopin 3rd sonata at times, nothing related to her technique but rather to stage excitement. Those little things didn't bother me at all, but seems she relaxed more towards the end.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 6,563
6000 Post Club Member
|
|
OP
6000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 6,563 |
Jang Seoyoung's Brahms is falling apart.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,765
4000 Post Club Member
|
|
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,765 |
Jang...Maybe she didn't choose the right repertoire or it just wasn't her day...Quite uninspiring...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 6
Junior Member
|
|
Junior Member
Joined: Jan 2012
Posts: 6 |
Seems they have chosen the semifinalists and although some were certainly very much deserved, some of the choices are just incomprehensible to me  They eliminated the best ones!  like Candotti, Colafelice and Konczal
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,765
4000 Post Club Member
|
|
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,765 |
Seems they have chosen the semifinalists and although some were certainly very much deserved, some of the choices are just incomprehensible to me They eliminated the best ones! like Candotti, Colafelice and Konczal One tends to forget that these competitions are not just about the best performance  I find the first Kim too hard to listen to...her playing is so breathless.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,765
4000 Post Club Member
|
|
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,765 |
Liked the second Kim much better, but I missed the first half of her performance.
Melnikov makes his full large tone with his skilful pedal use, which suits very well with his late romantic repertoire. IMO a little less would have been better on Bach and even the Beethoven to get more tonal variety and clarity.
Last edited by outo; 09/14/14 11:34 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,765
4000 Post Club Member
|
|
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,765 |
The finalists:
Xu Gehui China
Huang Miao Germany
Kim Hee Jae Korea
Kim Sangyoung Korea
Melnikov Alexei Russia
Park Sun-A USA
I would have replaced one Kim with Taratushkin, otherwise no surprises there...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 6,563
6000 Post Club Member
|
|
OP
6000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 6,563 |
I would have replaced one Kim with Taratushkin, otherwise no surprises there...
 +1
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 36,799
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
|
|
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 36,799 |
If these young pianists think “expressing” in their face and body will transfer into the playing and to the listener, it really doesn't, quite the opposite. Constantly aiming for dramatic effect isn't that effective either. I feel quite differently. I think most of the audience watches a performer's face, and if the expression is genuine it can add a lot to a performance. I guess this is where we differ. Of course my pianist ideal is ABM With Yasynsky there were moments, especially in the Prok, when I wasn't watching and suddenly felt his playing was very expressive and then when I looked I noticed he was sitting controlled and calm...so I assume what he does isn't doing any good for his playing. I don't doubt it's genuine, though. When I look at the seasoned artists with their calm demeanor I feel the expression goes straight from their mind to their playing and is much more effective that way. A huge number of experienced performers show expression on their faces. And considering all professional pianists(i.e. including not some of the seasoned ones, which BTW doesn't mean they're superior)IMO the majority show expression on their faces. Martha Argerich, for example, shows plenty of facial expression, often smiling at a passage she particularly enjoys. Why do you think "going directly from their mind to their playing" be an advantage? Do you think Argerich or Trifonov should now be advised to play with the demeanor of Michelangeli or that Kissin should stop moving his body in circles(he also shows tons of expression on his face when seen in close up)? Of course, "showing emotion" is on a continuous scale so we may be talking about different things and you may be thinking of more extreme examples. I also don't want to imply that I think that showing emotion(body or facial) is necessary for a great performance. Here are two PW members, Can Cakmur and Brendan Kinsella, who I think show emotion in their facial expressions or bodily movements but IMO never go over the top(or anywhere near "the top") and the physical emotion only adds to their playing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMvK7qZoCHIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBDm3YfNAEAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YINPs_bPXCo&list=PL81ECE615B2396234
Last edited by pianoloverus; 09/15/14 11:39 AM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,765
4000 Post Club Member
|
|
4000 Post Club Member
Joined: Aug 2012
Posts: 4,765 |
If these young pianists think “expressing” in their face and body will transfer into the playing and to the listener, it really doesn't, quite the opposite. Constantly aiming for dramatic effect isn't that effective either. I feel quite differently. I think most of the audience watches a performer's face, and if the expression is genuine it can add a lot to a performance. I guess this is where we differ. Of course my pianist ideal is ABM With Yasynsky there were moments, especially in the Prok, when I wasn't watching and suddenly felt his playing was very expressive and then when I looked I noticed he was sitting controlled and calm...so I assume what he does isn't doing any good for his playing. I don't doubt it's genuine, though. When I look at the seasoned artists with their calm demeanor I feel the expression goes straight from their mind to their playing and is much more effective that way. A huge number of experienced performers show expression on their faces. And considering all professional pianists(i.e. including not some of the seasoned ones, which BTW doesn't mean they're superior)IMO the majority show expression on their faces. Martha Argerich, for example, shows plenty of facial expression, often smiling at a passage she particularly enjoys. Why do you think "going directly from their mind to their playing" be an advantage? Do you think Argerich or Trifonov should now be advised to play with the demeanor of Michelangeli or that Kissin should stop moving his body in circles(he also shows tons of expression on his face when seen in close up)? Of course, "showing emotion" is on a continuous scale so we may be talking about different things and you may be thinking of more extreme examples. I also don't want to imply that I think that showing emotion(body or facial) is necessary for a great performance. Here are two PW members, Can Cakmur and Brendan Kinsella, who I think show emotion in their facial expressions or bodily movements but IMO never go over the top(or anywhere near "the top") and the physical emotion only adds to their playing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMvK7qZoCHIhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBDm3YfNAEAhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YINPs_bPXCo&list=PL81ECE615B2396234 I have nothing against expressing emotions on the face! I was talking about excessive body movements and face twisting that seems to interfere with the quality of playing. If and when it doesn't, it's fine. I was watching Kissin the other day and thought he probably needs to work his body that way to play the way he does. I would think with most top pianists the bodily expressions are sort of side-to-side with the mind-piano process, not part of it if you know what I mean? ABM also expresses in his face often, while having a very calm posture.
Last edited by outo; 09/15/14 12:49 PM.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 6,563
6000 Post Club Member
|
|
OP
6000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 6,563 |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 6,563
6000 Post Club Member
|
|
OP
6000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 6,563 |
Melnikov gave a very convincing performance of Rach 3rd.
I will be very surprised if he does not win.
|
|
|
|
Forums43
Topics223,384
Posts3,349,178
Members111,631
| |
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
