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Triplet 32nd + 2 8th Note #2444586 07/26/15 07:20 AM
Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,081 Turkey, Istanbul MadLiszt OP 1000 Post Club Member
OP MadLiszt 1000 Post Club Member Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,081 Turkey, Istanbul	there is a question in my homework that asks how many 1 rest or 1 note value does triplet 32nd + 2 8th note equal and i can't solve it cause triplet 32nd = 1 sixteenth note 2 8th note = 1 quarter note so triplet 32nd + 2 8th note = 5 sixteenth note but i don't know how can i show 5 sixteenth note as 1 note value also as 1 rest even i put dot near the value or double dot it can't sum up to 5 sixteenth note any help would be appreciated fermata not allowed here is the photo Last edited by Batuhan; 07/26/15 07:25 AM.

Re: Triplet 32nd + 2 8th Note MadLiszt #2444592 07/26/15 08:27 AM
Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 588 Hawaii T TheHappyPianoMuse 500 Post Club Member
TheHappyPianoMuse 500 Post Club Member T Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 588 Hawaii	In fifty years I have never encountered anything remotely like this in any score. My only guess is that it is possibly linked to ethnic music of some kind. In India we have an unusual seven note beat division to accomodate our "ragas" ... which are melody riffs of seven notes. Then an entire piece is improvised on the spot with that seven note beat. You are quite correct in your analysis. There MUST be FIVE sixteenth notes. However this odd assemblage of notes must include those 32cd notes as a triplet within its five beats. This is the only possible answer I can see. And NO music writing program can produce it. I did it with a very high-level graphics program by cutting and pasting ( I'm a graphic artist on the side ... ) It can't be done with a single note. Because "dots" by definition are even divisions. Five is an odd number. What program are you studying? I am curious ... and confounded. http://www.thehappypianoprofessor.wordpress.com http://thehappypianomuse.wordpress.com

Re: Triplet 32nd + 2 8th Note TheHappyPianoMuse #2444602 07/26/15 09:51 AM
Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,081 Turkey, Istanbul MadLiszt OP 1000 Post Club Member
OP MadLiszt 1000 Post Club Member Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,081 Turkey, Istanbul	Originally Posted by TheHappyPianoMuse In fifty years I have never encountered anything remotely like this in any score. My only guess is that it is possibly linked to ethnic music of some kind. In India we have an unusual seven note beat division to accomodate our "ragas" ... which are melody riffs of seven notes. Then an entire piece is improvised on the spot with that seven note beat. You are quite correct in your analysis. There MUST be FIVE sixteenth notes. However this odd assemblage of notes must include those 32cd notes as a triplet within its five beats. This is the only possible answer I can see. And NO music writing program can produce it. I did it with a very high-level graphics program by cutting and pasting ( I'm a graphic artist on the side ... ) It can't be done with a single note. Because "dots" by definition are even divisions. Five is an odd number. What program are you studying? I am curious ... and confounded. i think i found a solution is it true? Triplet 32nd = 1 16th note so 1 16th note = 2 32nd note 2 8th note = 8 32nd note so Triplet 32nd + 2 8th note = 10 32nd note 10 32nd note = decuplet i use sibelius 7 Last edited by Batuhan; 07/26/15 09:52 AM.

Re: Triplet 32nd + 2 8th Note MadLiszt #2444629 07/26/15 01:26 PM
Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 1,146 Orig. land of Goths R RaggedKeyPresser 1000 Post Club Member
RaggedKeyPresser 1000 Post Club Member R Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 1,146 Orig. land of Goths	I thought it would be a quarter and a half...but what do I know. 2 16ths plus 2 8ths= 3 8ths Will do some R&B for a while. Give the classical a break. You can spend the rest of your life looking for music on a sheet of paper. You'll never find it, because it just ain't there. - Me Myself

Re: Triplet 32nd + 2 8th Note MadLiszt #2444642 07/26/15 02:27 PM
Joined: Jun 2015 Posts: 347 D debussychopin Full Member
debussychopin Full Member D Joined: Jun 2015 Posts: 347	I say 3 eighths. Pretty simple. Triplet equals the next slower notes in two so in this case two sixteenths. Then you add em up debussychopin.

Re: Triplet 32nd + 2 8th Note debussychopin #2444689 07/26/15 05:58 PM
Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,081 Turkey, Istanbul MadLiszt OP 1000 Post Club Member
OP MadLiszt 1000 Post Club Member Joined: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,081 Turkey, Istanbul	Originally Posted by debussychopin I say 3 eighths. Pretty simple. Triplet equals the next slower notes in two so in this case two sixteenths. Then you add em up only 1 note value or rest allowed

Re: Triplet 32nd + 2 8th Note debussychopin #2444697 07/26/15 06:19 PM
Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 588 Hawaii T TheHappyPianoMuse 500 Post Club Member
TheHappyPianoMuse 500 Post Club Member T Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 588 Hawaii	Originally Posted by debussychopin I say 3 eighths. Pretty simple. Triplet equals the next slower notes in two so in this case two sixteenths. Then you add em up I don't think so. A triplet is " three for the price of two". Which means those three 32cd notes are worth two 32cd notes. Not two 16ths. ( Which would be simple). In other words that triplet is worth only ONE 16th note ( two 32cds) Which works out to five 16th notes for the fragment shown. And that's an uneven division. Now we have to find a notation for five 16ths. And the only possible notation is a quintuplet. Getting into the pure math of a quintuplet would mean that those FIVE 16th notes would be played at a value of four of them ... which would be a single beat. I think it's a trick question. Or an error. Try the single beat quintuplet broken down to include the 32cd note triplet. And then tell your professor he should be studying quantum theory and the Higgs Boson. http://www.thehappypianoprofessor.wordpress.com http://thehappypianomuse.wordpress.com

Re: Triplet 32nd + 2 8th Note MadLiszt #2444701 07/26/15 06:23 PM
Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 588 Hawaii T TheHappyPianoMuse 500 Post Club Member
TheHappyPianoMuse 500 Post Club Member T Joined: Dec 2014 Posts: 588 Hawaii	Originally Posted by Batuhan i think i found a solution is it true? Triplet 32nd = 1 16th note so 1 16th note = 2 32nd note 2 8th note = 8 32nd note so Triplet 32nd + 2 8th note = 10 32nd note 10 32nd note = decuplet i use sibelius 7 Yep ... this is the only possible answer. Now reduce your unnecessarily small 32cd notes to 16ths ... and you have a quintuplet. Now all you have to do is find a single notation. ( As I mentioned above ... try one beat LOL) http://www.thehappypianoprofessor.wordpress.com http://thehappypianomuse.wordpress.com

Re: Triplet 32nd + 2 8th Note MadLiszt #2444780 07/27/15 02:15 AM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 5,870 W wouter79 5000 Post Club Member
wouter79 5000 Post Club Member W Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 5,870	Maybe it's a triplet inside a triplet? So first three 32ths = first eight of the bigger triplet of 3 eights They maybe made an error in that these should have been 16ths instead of 32ths

Re: Triplet 32nd + 2 8th Note MadLiszt #2444785 07/27/15 03:56 AM
Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,334 Israel N Nahum 5000 Post Club Member
Nahum 5000 Post Club Member N Joined: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,334 Israel	This notation looks like an elementary mistake; otherwise, Batuhan, you must show the notes in full, and not some segment.

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