|
Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums Over 3 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments. Over 100,000 members from around the world.
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers
(it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!
|
|
27 members (John62, beeboss, Calavera, FredrikNilsen, Gen1, fullerphoto, Hakki, Animisha, johnesp, 5 invisible),
1,366
guests, and
331
robots. |
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 188
Full Member
|
OP
Full Member
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 188 |
I have been playing piano for 2 years now (in december) and my dream is that I will play La Campanella one day. So I have started to learn the piece. This is a one minute part of it. I'm beginner and I know that this piece is very hard, but I love it so here is my performance:
[video:youtube]YpKIj632Pw4[/video]
I learned the half of it already but this part is good alone I think so this is the all I recorded yet.
Last edited by stylerhun; 11/08/15 12:34 PM.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 24,600
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
|
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 24,600 |
Very very nice! This is extremely impressive, considering that you've been playing just for (almost) 2 years. It is completely musical, with no impression of struggle or loss of musicality due to the technical difficulties, and the 'feeling' is there. Obviously you're compromising on the tempo in order to allow all of that to be so, but you do the compromise wonderfully, and in any event, it is certainly far better than overreaching, and trying to play beyond one's capability.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 188
Full Member
|
OP
Full Member
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 188 |
Thank You very much!
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 232
Full Member
|
Full Member
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 232 |
I think your hand looks a bit tense and the notes aren't all equal. If you have been learning for such a short amount of time, I would start with more manageable things to create good habits with your playing and then move on to pieces like this.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 188
Full Member
|
OP
Full Member
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 188 |
Thank You!
My hands have tension mainly because I made the recording after I played this 30 times in a row Smiley But I must improve the looseness really. I wouldn't like to learn the entire piece yet , just some part of it, because the technique is very interesting, what I find in it, and much more interesting than any other pieces what I learned. It's very different and other feeling. It's an etude so the main thing is the technique, it's absolutely impressive, what this piece provide for the pianist.
Last edited by stylerhun; 11/08/15 03:32 PM.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 24,600
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
|
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: Nov 2009
Posts: 24,600 |
I don't agree at all with the above comment to you.
Actually I think that in most such cases I'd agree with Incongruous, because I think it's only the very rare person for whom it's really meaningful and advisable to play such a piece after such a short time at the piano. But from what I'm hearing and seeing in your video, I don't think there's any problem at all, I don't think it gets in the way of anything about your development, and I think it would be a shame for you to feel any discouragement about trying such repertoire.
But, having said that, I'd be delighted to see other posts -- maybe on both sides of this. It could be a very interesting discussion, getting into stuff like what are some signs of someone doing repertoire that's beyond him, as opposed to successfully staying within himself. To me, not only are you staying within yourself, but you're also making real music, unfailingly, in each and every instant -- which is a thing that we can't necessarily always say even about very advanced players when it comes to a piece like this.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 2,656
2000 Post Club Member
|
2000 Post Club Member
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 2,656 |
Excellent. Super accuracy and very nice phrasing/voicing. When you've learned this, which I think you will ultimately, try and get some time for a recording on a really good piano. Warning: The skips are not the biggest problem in this piece! (Though I think you may already have realized this.)
SRF
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 188
Full Member
|
OP
Full Member
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 188 |
Excellent. Super accuracy and very nice phrasing/voicing Thank you! (Though I think you may already have realized this.) Yes The repeated notes are interesting too and looks hard, but the thing that I fear the most is the 4th,5th thrills. Last time I did 4,5th thrills in the moonlight sonata 3rd movement, and my fingers are trained a little bit for this, but I will see To me, not only are you staying within yourself, but you're also making real music, unfailingly, in each and every instant -- which is a thing that we can't necessarily always say even about very advanced players when it comes to a piece like this. It's very good to hear that my performance is not bad about such a hard piece like this. Thank you! I will not give it up however this will be not my main piece what I will learn in the next months
Last edited by stylerhun; 11/09/15 03:44 AM.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 232
Full Member
|
Full Member
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 232 |
I don't agree at all with the above comment to you.
Actually I think that in most such cases I'd agree with Incongruous, because I think it's only the very rare person for whom it's really meaningful and advisable to play such a piece after such a short time at the piano. But from what I'm hearing and seeing in your video, I don't think there's any problem at all, I don't think it gets in the way of anything about your development, and I think it would be a shame for you to feel any discouragement about trying such repertoire.
But, having said that, I'd be delighted to see other posts -- maybe on both sides of this. It could be a very interesting discussion, getting into stuff like what are some signs of someone doing repertoire that's beyond him, as opposed to successfully staying within himself. To me, not only are you staying within yourself, but you're also making real music, unfailingly, in each and every instant -- which is a thing that we can't necessarily always say even about very advanced players when it comes to a piece like this. I think this says it all: "My hands have tension mainly because I made the recording after I played this 30 times in a row" If playing only the first page and a bit several times makes you tense...
Last edited by Incongruous; 11/09/15 02:19 PM.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 26,906
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
|
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 26,906 |
It looks to me as if the right hand, particularly, is very tense. When playing the broken octaves the second, third, and fourth fingers seem to be rigidly held up off the keys in a claw-like position which certainly seems to indicate tension.
It's hard to tell, of course, with such a short segment at half tempo, but the results are, so far, good.
Regards,
BruceD - - - - - Estonia 190
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 232
Full Member
|
Full Member
Joined: Apr 2015
Posts: 232 |
It looks to me as if the right hand, particularly, is very tense. When playing the broken octaves the second, third, and fourth fingers seem to be rigidly held up off the keys in a claw-like position which certainly seems to indicate tension.
It's hard to tell, of course, with such a short segment at half tempo, but the results are, so far, good.
Regards, I agree with you. I think the fact the OP is playing on an electric piano hides his technical weaknesses.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 6,564
6000 Post Club Member
|
6000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 6,564 |
Bravo!! Very good.
I just have one fingering advice for measures 11 and 19.
I suggest 1-5-2-3-1-5, 1-5-2-3-1-5. that is to put thumb on the 3rd and 6th beats on D#.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 36,804
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
|
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 36,804 |
I agree with everyone else that you play extremely well for having studied such a short time. If you love this piece I see no reason why you shouldn't study it. I think its also one of those pieces that sound quite good at a much slower speed than a top pro would play it(as long as you're playing for friends or yourself and not performing it at Carnegie Hall). But I wouldn't spend too much of your practice time on it because it's probably not the best piece pedagogically because of its extreme difficulty. Maybe one out of 500 or 1000 people who study piano will ever get to the point where they can play this piece well. Also, it's possible that practicing it 30 times in a row could hurt your hands. And for your easier pieces like the Chopin Nocturne I strongly suggest listening to performances by great pianists to learn from them about technique and interpretation. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScVkvd9-N-g&list=PLC53C1B96B8AE43F2Achucarro plays the Nocturne with extreme rubato but it's so natural and beautiful one is hardly aware of it.
Last edited by pianoloverus; 11/09/15 06:38 PM.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 188
Full Member
|
OP
Full Member
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 188 |
Big thanks for every one! I'm very happy to read your comments. And for your easier pieces like the Chopin Nocturne I strongly suggest listening to performances by great pianists to learn from them about technique and interpretation. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScVkvd9-N-g&list=PLC53C1B96B8AE43F2Achucarro plays the Nocturne with extreme rubato but it's so natural and beautiful one is hardly aware of it. Ok, I will, thank you! At the moment I'm learning the Nocturne's dinamycs from note to note with my teacher. I will watching lots of video about it. Bravo!!I suggest 1-5-2-3-1-5, 1-5-2-3-1-5. that is to put thumb on the 3rd and 6th beats on D#. I will try it, thanks! I agree with you. I think the fact the OP is playing on an electric piano hides his technical weaknesses.
It's a very very good electric piano In the conservatorie I tried out real acoustic pianos and the key action is really good in this digital piano. (Yamaha CLP 565 GP). By the way, for me it's easier to play on a real piano than on digital. I will buy a real acoustic piano in the future.
Last edited by stylerhun; 11/10/15 03:51 AM.
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,212
1000 Post Club Member
|
1000 Post Club Member
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 1,212 |
If only the whole piece stayed in this level of difficulty!
"I was obliged to be industrious. Whoever is equally industrious will succeed equally well."
J.S. Bach
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 188
Full Member
|
OP
Full Member
Joined: Apr 2014
Posts: 188 |
If only the whole piece stayed in this level of difficulty! Yeah. Now I'm at the half of the piece.
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 36,804
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
|
Yikes! 10000 Post Club Member
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 36,804 |
I think this says it all: "My hands have tension mainly because I made the recording after I played this 30 times in a row" If playing only the first page and a bit several times makes you tense... 30 does not equal several...not even close. But the real point is that the OP loves this piece so attempting it even if it means playing it very slowly or playing it without perfect technique is perfectly reasonable. In fact, his playing from 1.5 years ago was excellent considering especially his experience of two years. If all the pieces he was learning were of this difficulty then that would be a inappropriate...but that is not the case.
Last edited by pianoloverus; 01/10/16 11:40 AM.
|
|
|
Forums43
Topics223,395
Posts3,349,358
Members111,634
|
Most Online15,252 Mar 21st, 2010
|
|
|
|
|
|