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My idea of "tone deaf" on a colloquial level means someone who cannot carry a tune, such that everything sounds the same when they sing in a dreadful manner. For instance, if they were thinking of a song, and were to sing it, you would have no idea what they were singing. I always joked that I could not marry someone "tone deaf", as we sing a lot in our church, and to sit next to that would be unpleasant. However even someone I knew who was tone deaf could in fact kind of carry a tune, so long as she was sitting next to someone who was singing. Somehow it helped her. I've had students who have absolute pitch in regard to recognizing tones they hear, but they couldn't generate or match pitches with their voices until they'd had a couple years of Suzuki piano lessons. They are different skills. Someone who struggles to generate pitches shouldn't be called tone deaf. As a child I "couldn't carry a tune in a bucket" as my mom says. But I loved to hear music, always gave it my full attention, and recognized and remembered tunes easily. I don't have absolute pitch at all but after a couple years of piano lessons (also Suzuki) I became able to sing more accurately as well.
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There is a clinical definition that doesn't need input from me. The colloquial definition means they don't like The Beatles. 
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I've had students who have absolute pitch in regard to recognizing tones they hear, but they couldn't generate or match pitches with their voices until they'd had a couple years of Suzuki piano lessons. They are different skills. Someone who struggles to generate pitches shouldn't be called tone deaf. +1 !!! _Singing_ an interval is not the same as _hearing_ an interval.
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It's normal for people to exaggerate to get the point across. It's more life a figure of speech than the actual condition. You are wrong. It's an actual clinical condition and not just a "lack of musicality": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusia I know it's actual clinical condition. What I meant in my post is a lot of people saying "they're tone deaf" (including me) is just as a figure of speech.
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My idea of "tone deaf" on a colloquial level means someone who cannot carry a tune, such that everything sounds the same when they sing in a dreadful manner. For instance, if they were thinking of a song, and were to sing it, you would have no idea what they were singing. I always joked that I could not marry someone "tone deaf", as we sing a lot in our church, and to sit next to that would be unpleasant. However even someone I knew who was tone deaf could in fact kind of carry a tune, so long as she was sitting next to someone who was singing. Somehow it helped her. I've had students who have absolute pitch in regard to recognizing tones they hear, but they couldn't generate or match pitches with their voices until they'd had a couple years of Suzuki piano lessons. They are different skills. Someone who struggles to generate pitches shouldn't be called tone deaf. As a child I "couldn't carry a tune in a bucket" as my mom says. But I loved to hear music, always gave it my full attention, and recognized and remembered tunes easily. I don't have absolute pitch at all but after a couple years of piano lessons (also Suzuki) I became able to sing more accurately as well. You give me hope because I'm exactly the same. Hopefully, I can develop some aural skills in a few years. Or at least, don't sing horribly out of tune as it is right now.
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