Piano World Home Page Forums Our Most Popular Forums Piano Tuner-Technicians Forum Who gave them (Russian) that right that talking about Gadzar

Life is too short to worry about such things.

Never mind Maximilyan,

I posted this video because I was asked by someone here in PW to illustrate the tapping technique.

That's the risk of posting videos in the world wide web. They can be seen anywhere in the world. As I give no explanations in this video I'm afraid they don't understand what I am doing, nor why.

In this video I pitch raised the piano 100 cents with no overpull and the soundboard has settled and the tuning has drifted. Also the tuning pins were too loose, that's why afterwards I treated the pinblock with CA.

I'll do another video when the piano will be refinished. In this second video I will fine tune the piano and I will see if the tuning pins will hold the tuning. I won't raise this piano up to 440, the pinblock is cracked and the piano is meant to be only a piece of furniture.

I'm curious about what russian techs will say....

Dear Rafael as often happens Russian techs. does not understood your sense of where you are trying make "trick with cracked pinblock". They write that this savagery to show a similar technique " hammer percussion" when pin loose here. They also think it's barbaric to work without mutes. Certainly not suggest that it would be the second part of this action in the future.
Yes, they is not knowledge of the languages ( in Russia it's always so) and so on. My method of the cardboard shim does not want to take even knowing the "mother language " of the country Russia. https://youtu.be/--slQtf7H_c?list=PLDD6668CC75A16250


CA they do not accept. Russia techs. always "treat" lost pin changes new wider diameter only. Therefore, do not speak of the CA here.
I'm going to write, if you have interest to know about it.
Regards, Max

Yes Max, I'm interested in reading what you will write.

So they think my tapping technique with loose pins is barbaric! I wonder why? I raised the pitch 100 cents without breaking a single string, is that barbaric?.

They also think that I tune without mutes. Well, I strip muted the piano. I can not tune without muting. Here is the picture:



And why do not they give CA a try? In my experience it does wonders in some pianos with not so loose pins, though there are some pianos with extremely loose pins where CA is not effective and replacing the pins or replacing the pinblock is the solution but this is very expensive compared to the CA treatment.

I've tried other options to solve loose pins, using hard wood veneer, or sand paper to shim the pins but I do not like the results, that's why I use CA or I replace the pins. I've never replaced a pinblock.

No I've never tried cardboard. I've used sand paper and hardwood veneer and I find it difficult to work with, it is time consuming and in general I've got unconsistent results.

Yes, I hammer in the pins.

What I call inconsistent results is that sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't.

Sometimes the width of the strip of sandpaper I put in the hole is just right but sometimes it is not enough and the pin is loose and worst of all sometines the strip of sand paper is too wide and when I tap the pin in the sand paper is pushed into the hole by the pin.

It is very difficult to estimate the correct width of the sandpaper which will work fine.

I can buy the hole box with 250 pins or by the dozen. So I have an assortment of tuning pins of different lengths sizes and colours (blue pins or nickel plated).