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#2328020 - 09/16/14 10:28 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: EnGee]
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Originally Posted By: EnGee

Thanks for the video. Yes, I already know what the difference, but I didn't know how to play the slur and ... Ok! I found a good video that explained it here. So, I think I got it now thumb
[edit] Oops! I think the previous video wasn't accurate because I watched another video and he explained it differently. In the end I see it like this: playing the notes under/above the slur in a smooth and connected way and not in separate way, it is not about two notes, but rather the groups of notes under/above the slur which exactly as fizikisto said, but I needed to see an example to understand it fully. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Sorry for the confusion [/edit]


The second video is definitely a better explanation. I wouldn't say that the first video is wrong, exactly, just that it isn't a particularly useful, especially for a beginner trying to understand what a slur actually is.

I've never seen someone try to explain slurs that way before (starting by considering a slur between only two notes rather than a slur over a group of notes). Also, he's not really explaining what a slur is so much as explaining how HE interprets two note slurs. It's a perfectly valid interpretation, and more or less the way that I would play them a lot of the time, but it's not the only valid interpretation. Rather than loud/soft, I was originally taught to play them in a slightly rubato fashion (which I sometimes still do) as an example of a different (and equally valid) kind of interpretation.
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#2328022 - 09/16/14 10:32 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: DancerJ]
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Originally Posted By: DancerJ

Glad to know I am not the only one. Maybe I should try "Jingle Bells" tonight to see if it is still difficult. I found that the pieces that were difficult initially aren't that difficult as I progress, even though I don't practice them often.


That's always a nice feeling isn't it? Sometimes when we are really struggling with something new, it's useful to be reminded that something we struggled through previously is now easy to us because we stuck with it. At least for me, that's one of my best motivations to keep going.
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#2328029 - 09/16/14 11:06 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: EnGee]
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Originally Posted By: EnGee
Thanks for the video. Yes, I already know what the difference, but I didn't know how to play the slur and ...

Sorry for misunderstanding. I guess when you said earlier "Should I keep pressing the first key till I hit the second key attached by a slur to the first one while playing all the other notes between?" I thought the "between" notes was referring to notes being played in one hand while holding down the tied note(s) with the other hand. So I thought you had ties and slurs mixed up. But anyway, glad you have it sorted out now.
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#2328188 - 09/16/14 07:01 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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I was able to put a couple of songs away and started on the Dm scale along with Scarborough Fair. It's mostly music from this point on so I'm excited. It's coming down to me being able to work about 3 pieces at a time. Any more and I tend to rush over the lessons to be learned in each. I am playing with Fundamental keys a little and enjoying the classical exposure when I have extra time.
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#2328309 - 09/17/14 05:11 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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@DancerJ: It was difficult but after time it becomes normal. I think many have experienced the same when they started the book. I must confess that my participation in the last recital did pushed me forward because for one week I pressed on myself to learn some techniques that still higher than my level (not that much though). I learnt that if I try a piece higher than my level from time to time, would make the current study easier. I don't know, it is just a thought.

@fizikisto: When I read one of the comments in his YouTube page, which says "My piano teacher told me that at the end of the slur it shouldn't be staccato unless specified", I tended to agree with the comment especially when comparing his playing with the second (more accurate) video.

@Linda: Oh, I was very confused about slurs and you weren't so far from how I though to play the slurs till I felt it make no sense to play it in such a strange way. Alfred's book is to blame here! It should have explained very well how to play the slur. It is from the basics and we need to have them right. In e-media I haven't reach the slurs yet, I'm very curious to see how the teacher would explained it in the video ;-)

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#2328551 - 09/17/14 09:57 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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EnGee, I agree the Alfred's book is a little light on the details. Since I don't have a teacher I tend to watch a lot of youtube videos as another learning resource. And make use of these forums, too, of course. We're still here and making progress, so there's hope for us yet! smile
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#2328627 - 09/18/14 04:07 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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I agree with you Linda. Well, nothing is perfect and thanks to the technology we are living with now, we have unlimited virtual resources, and one of them is this wonderful forum. Of course nothing can beat a good piano teacher, but it's still possible to do it the hard way smile

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#2328881 - 09/18/14 10:47 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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I have completed "Got Those Blues" and "Blues for Wynton Marsalis" to my satisfaction. I started "On Top of Old Smoky" a few days ago and feel like it's coming along nicely. I do need to do better with the pedaling, though, and I'm watching my hands too much, so I will address that as well. Tonight I started the section on the G major scale.

As far as scales go I've been practicing the C major scale only a few minutes a day. I can do hands together ascending 2 octaves consistently and fairly smoothly, but still need a lot of work on HT descending. I haven't even tried contrary motion yet. I'll see if I can add on a few more minutes each day for scales.

I was looking through my Alfred's country piano book for a new song to learn and came across one called "Old Joe Clark." I'd never heard of it before so I looked it up on youtube and came across this one, which I'm fairly certain isn't Alfred's level one version. laugh

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#2328893 - 09/19/14 12:22 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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I play a version of "old joe clark" on the fiddle, nothing like that. Thanks for sharing, love the boogie
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#2329072 - 09/19/14 06:23 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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I like that, Linda. I don't play anything that fast. Some day, maybe.
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